Kalam seems similar to the tutorial methods of St John's College. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505
505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 3:13 PM Jochen Fromm <[email protected]> wrote: > There was a time in the 8th century in the Islamic Golden Age when Baghdad > was the center of the scientific world during the Abbasid Caliphate. For > science to prosper there must be a culture which values knowledge and > freedom. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbasid_Caliphate > > Knowledge is based on language and stored in books. In Baghdad there was > at the time a "house of wisdom", a mix between library and university > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Wisdom > > The scholars used a form of dialectic debate called "kalam", which is a > bit similar to the Jewish method of hevruta/havruta in which a small group > of students discuss and debate a shared text > > https://www.theguardian.com/books/2010/sep/26/baghdad-centre-of-scientific-world > > -J. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: [email protected] > Date: 9/25/21 20:23 (GMT+01:00) > To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' < > [email protected]>, [email protected] > Subject: [FRIAM] > Islam-Science-Muslims-and-Technology-Seyyed-Hossein-Nasr-in-Conversation-with-Muzaffar-Iqbal-2009.pdf > > > Dear Colleagues, > > Because of an interest some of you expressed in Islamic science, I ran > down the text linked below. It is an entire book, and I have read only the > first chapter, but I found that fascinating. It is a sort of airing of > linen concerning the role of science in the modern Islamic world that > tracks in interesting ways the recent American ambivalence about science. > This first chapter is both unsettling and very familiar at the same time. > > > http://traditionalhikma.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Islam-Science-Muslims-and-Technology-Seyyed-Hossein-Nasr-in-Conversation-with-Muzaffar-Iqbal-2009.pdf > > Ok, just to give you sense of one of the places it leaves *me*: If the > fault of western science is that it is laced with unacknowledged western > values, what would a science that acknowledged its values look like. I > have argued that the science we practice is absurdly dualistic (given that > we have only one source of information). But it is unclear to me how > “dualism” is a value. Is the “rape of nature” and all that follows > implicit in dualism? I wish I could claim that if I turn you all into > monists, you will all become wind=turbine fanatics, but I don’t think > that’s the case. Do values guide what we do or are they just the heavy > artillery that we muster to convince others to do what we have done? > > See what you think? > > > > Nick > > .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: > 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >
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