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Nick Thompson [email protected] https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -----Original Message----- From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2021 11:44 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FRIAM] "chilling effect" I saw it as "epi" in the sense that it started out NOT as part of the legal system and emerged as a technique which eventually got formalized. Perhaps you are accurate that this transition moved it from epi to first-class, but I see it as having emergent/epi origins? I didn't decode Jon's URL far enough to determine if he cut/pasted it in the middle of an edit attempt or not... I *do* often, myself read the "talk" pages of a wikipedia page when I'm curious about whether certain controversial issues have been discussed about the page. On 11/11/21 9:25 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: > How is it epi? In both the SLAPP case and the SB8 case, it's a directly > targeted effect. And it has a long history in prior things like informal > policies for segregation and other law-gaming. There's no "epi" here. > > And what's with that Wikipedia link? Were you trying to edit the page but > your auth attempt failed? > > On 11/11/21 8:02 AM, Jon Zingale wrote: >> "Chilling Effect", now that's good epiphenomena. By that, I suppose I >> mean that "chilling effect" is more general than a simple gag or >> restraining order, it aims to inhibit or dissuade behavior. The >> content of chilling seems to live in the question of "why should a >> legal system dissuade or inhibit legal actions"? My first impression >> is that such a need arises in any legal system that is ultimately too >> rigid and unwieldy (or too ill-founded) to rigorously target the >> subject of its domain. So, probably, every non-trivial legal system. >> >> On the one hand, "chilling" seems a natural choice for better fitting >> the letter of the law to its "spirit", but doing so also creates a >> lever connecting goals to functions (a la' Charles and Thompson): >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilling_effect#:~:text=13%5D%5Bfailed% >> 20verification%5D-,Chilling%20effects%20on%20Wikipedia%20users,-%5Bed >> it%5D >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilling_effect#:~:text=13%5D%5Bfailed >> %20verification%5D-,Chilling%20effects%20on%20Wikipedia%20users,-%5Be >> dit%5D> > .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
