We neuter many/most male pets and beasts of burden, slaughter many of them young (e.g. this is where most of our beef and chicken come from).

We do this for various reasons that are not entirely unrelated to the larger conversation here...

On 1/25/22 7:35 AM, David Eric Smith wrote:
Never too late, Merle.

On Jan 25, 2022, at 9:32 AM, Merle Lefkoff <[email protected]> wrote:

Yes, they should have drowned the boys.

On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 7:27 AM Frank Wimberly <[email protected]> wrote:

    But

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_infanticide_in_China#20th_century

    ---
    Frank C. Wimberly
    140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
    Santa Fe, NM 87505

    505 670-9918
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    On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 7:16 AM Merle Lefkoff
    <[email protected]> wrote:

        Dave is right.  Development experts have known for a long
        time that when girls get educated and women hold jobs outside
        the home they are much more likely to control childbearing. 
        However, the culture must change everywhere, and it happens
        quite slowly with lots of pushback.  Check out the new
        protest and direct action movement that's happening with
        young men demonstrating in the streets in S. Korea.  ("A
        Vicious Anti-Feminist Backlash Stuns South Korea", Globe And
        Mail, 1/22.)

        On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 12:40 AM Prof David West
        <[email protected]> wrote:

            It has been known for a long time that the most effective
            means of birth / population control was educating girls,
            followed closely by empowering girls, e.g., with
            micro-loans to start businesses. I remember studying this
            topic way back in the 80s in my anthropology graduate
            program.

            davew


            On Mon, Jan 24, 2022, at 9:02 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
            Merle wrote:

            < China's population has stopped growing--primarily
            because there are more urban educated workers,
            especially women. >

            Estimate in Hawken's book was the 6th largest potential
            reduction for CO2 drawdown came from educating girls. 
            His reference was:

            https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1206964
            
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            *From:* Friam <[email protected]> on behalf of
            Merle Lefkoff <[email protected]>
            *Sent:* Monday, January 24, 2022 9:40 PM
            *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
            <[email protected]>
            *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics

            China's population has stopped growing--primarily
            because there are more urban educated workers,
            especially women.

            On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 7:11 PM Frank Wimberly
            <[email protected]> wrote:

                Excellent, Marcus.

                Eric, if it's less than 90% it still would have be
                significant. Two problems, "God" has tricks for
                making babies.  As for 1 child per couple didn't
                they "terminate" some babies (not fetuses, feti?),
                particularly females?  My impression is that their
                population has grown substantially notwithstanding
                those policies.

                Frank


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                On Mon, Jan 24, 2022, 6:38 PM Marcus Daniels
                <[email protected]> wrote:

                    Before I launch into a diatribe about why the
                    hell we can't agree to basic, never mind
                    interesting things:   I'd just like to report
                    that the James Webb telescope is in L2 orbit.
                    Score one for the negotiating, patient,
                    subtlety-appreciating scientists and their
                    counterparts in government.

                    Marcus

                    
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                    *From:* Friam <[email protected]> on
                    behalf of David Eric Smith <[email protected]>
                    *Sent:* Monday, January 24, 2022 6:01 PM
                    *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity
                    Coffee Group <[email protected]>
                    *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics

                    You know, as I read your characterization,
                    Marcus, it took me back to Hannah Arendt’s
                    description of feudal Europe and the role of the
                    Rothschilds and other big Jewish quasi-stateless
                    fixer families in relation to the feudal lords. 
                    Fussy and indirect seems somehow very close to
                    the right picture of the stateless ones
                    navigating always through the cracks and seams,
                    compared to the blunt moves of the ones who had
                    states.

                    I have some discomfort that this doesn’t quite
                    map.  Yet it seems not fully dissimilar.

                    Eric



                    On Jan 24, 2022, at 7:19 PM, Marcus Daniels
                    <[email protected]> wrote:

                    SFI sponsorship seems like very much a
                    fideistic declaration.  It would be interesting
                    to see how that influence network feeds into a
                    D.C. influencer network and real money.  There
                    are some linkages, like Brookings, but
                    leverage-wise it all seems much softer than
                    with LANL and the DOE.  And it all seems so
                    fussy and indirect compared to slapping down a
                    few billion dollars to build a Starship. That's
                    the appeal of Musk:  I'm f'ing doing this.

                    
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                    *From:* Friam <[email protected]> on
                    behalf of glen <[email protected]>
                    *Sent:* Monday, January 24, 2022 5:08 PM
                    *To:* [email protected] <[email protected]>
                    *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics

                    Well, that ain't true, either. Like Epstein,
                    when you "invest" in the SFI or people like
                    Steven Pinker or Bill Clinton, you're simply
                    transferring from one store to another ...
                    buying influence. If, e.g., the CIA contracts
                    with the SFI to adapt a CAS modeling tool into
                    a broad spectrum simulation tool, they are not
                    only buying a (questionable) piece of software;
                    they're buying *leverage* over people's
                    salaries, loyalty, etc. So those VCs *will* see
                    that money again, perhaps much less of it,
                    depending on the efficiency of the transaction,
                    or in fringe storage types (able to get past
                    the receptionist after eating over-priced
                    peri-Mexican food in order to have tea with
                    smart people).

                    On 1/24/22 15:31, Marcus Daniels wrote:
                    > Some of them sponsor SFI for goodness' sake!
                     They'll never see THAT money again!
-- glen
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