On 1/25/22 8:48 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
Boneless chicken breasts come from roosters?

Top hit on my google...  not sure if US is very different from AU:

https://www.chicken.org.au/are-meat-chickens-male-or-female/

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Santa Fe, NM 87505

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On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 8:45 AM Steve Smith <[email protected]> wrote:

    We neuter many/most male pets and beasts of burden, slaughter many
    of them young (e.g. this is where most of our beef and chicken
    come from).

    We do this for various reasons that are not entirely unrelated to
    the larger conversation here...

    On 1/25/22 7:35 AM, David Eric Smith wrote:
    Never too late, Merle.

    On Jan 25, 2022, at 9:32 AM, Merle Lefkoff
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    Yes, they should have drowned the boys.

    On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 7:27 AM Frank Wimberly
    <[email protected]> wrote:

        But

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_infanticide_in_China#20th_century

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        On Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 7:16 AM Merle Lefkoff
        <[email protected]> wrote:

            Dave is right.  Development experts have known for a
            long time that when girls get educated and women hold
            jobs outside the home they are much more likely to
            control childbearing.  However, the culture must change
            everywhere, and it happens quite slowly with lots of
            pushback.  Check out the new protest and direct action
            movement that's happening with young men demonstrating
            in the streets in S. Korea.  ("A Vicious Anti-Feminist
            Backlash Stuns South Korea", Globe And Mail, 1/22.)

            On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 12:40 AM Prof David West
            <[email protected]> wrote:

                It has been known for a long time that the most
                effective means of birth / population control was
                educating girls, followed closely by empowering
                girls, e.g., with micro-loans to start businesses. I
                remember studying this topic way back in the 80s in
                my anthropology graduate program.

                davew


                On Mon, Jan 24, 2022, at 9:02 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
                Merle wrote:

                < China's population has stopped growing--primarily
                because there are more urban educated workers,
                especially women. >

                Estimate in Hawken's book was the 6th largest
                potential reduction for CO2 drawdown came from
                educating girls.  His reference was:

                https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1206964
                
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                *From:* Friam <[email protected]> on behalf
                of Merle Lefkoff <[email protected]>
                *Sent:* Monday, January 24, 2022 9:40 PM
                *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee
                Group <[email protected]>
                *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics

                China's population has stopped growing--primarily
                because there are more urban educated workers,
                especially women.

                On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 7:11 PM Frank Wimberly
                <[email protected]> wrote:

                    Excellent, Marcus.

                    Eric, if it's less than 90% it still would have
                    be significant.  Two problems, "God" has tricks
                    for making babies.  As for 1 child per couple
                    didn't they "terminate" some babies (not
                    fetuses, feti?), particularly females?  My
                    impression is that their population has grown
                    substantially notwithstanding those policies.

                    Frank


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                    On Mon, Jan 24, 2022, 6:38 PM Marcus Daniels
                    <[email protected]> wrote:

                        Before I launch into a diatribe about why
                        the hell we can't agree to basic, never
                        mind interesting things:   I'd just like to
                        report that the James Webb telescope is in
                        L2 orbit. Score one for the negotiating,
                        patient, subtlety-appreciating scientists
                        and their counterparts in government.

                        Marcus

                        
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                        *From:* Friam <[email protected]>
                        on behalf of David Eric Smith
                        <[email protected]>
                        *Sent:* Monday, January 24, 2022 6:01 PM
                        *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity
                        Coffee Group <[email protected]>
                        *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics

                        You know, as I read your characterization,
                        Marcus, it took me back to Hannah Arendt’s
                        description of feudal Europe and the role
                        of the Rothschilds and other big Jewish
                        quasi-stateless fixer families in relation
                        to the feudal lords.  Fussy and indirect
                        seems somehow very close to the right
                        picture of the stateless ones navigating
                        always through the cracks and seams,
                        compared to the blunt moves of the ones who
                        had states.

                        I have some discomfort that this doesn’t
                        quite map.  Yet it seems not fully dissimilar.

                        Eric



                        On Jan 24, 2022, at 7:19 PM, Marcus
                        Daniels <[email protected]> wrote:

                        SFI sponsorship seems like very much a
                        fideistic declaration.  It would be
                        interesting to see how that influence
                        network feeds into a D.C. influencer
                        network and real money.  There are some
                        linkages, like Brookings, but
                        leverage-wise it all seems much softer
                        than with LANL and the DOE.  And it all
                        seems so fussy and indirect compared to
                        slapping down a few billion dollars to
                        build a Starship. That's the appeal of
                        Musk:  I'm f'ing doing this.

                        
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                        *From:* Friam <[email protected]>
                        on behalf of glen <[email protected]>
                        *Sent:* Monday, January 24, 2022 5:08 PM
                        *To:* [email protected] <[email protected]>
                        *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] health care logistics

                        Well, that ain't true, either. Like
                        Epstein, when you "invest" in the SFI or
                        people like Steven Pinker or Bill Clinton,
                        you're simply transferring from one store
                        to another ... buying influence. If, e.g.,
                        the CIA contracts with the SFI to adapt a
                        CAS modeling tool into a broad spectrum
                        simulation tool, they are not only buying
                        a (questionable) piece of software;
                        they're buying *leverage* over people's
                        salaries, loyalty, etc. So those VCs
                        *will* see that money again, perhaps much
                        less of it, depending on the efficiency of
                        the transaction, or in fringe storage
                        types (able to get past the receptionist
                        after eating over-priced peri-Mexican food
                        in order to have tea with smart people).

                        On 1/24/22 15:31, Marcus Daniels wrote:
                        > Some of them sponsor SFI for goodness'
                        sake!  They'll never see THAT money again!
-- glen
                        Theorem 3. There exists a double master
                        function.


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