Excellent! Thanks. However, it's also important to note that the lawsuit is 
against UC Davis, not Neuralink. So, to whatever extent that Neuralink funding, 
mixed with tax payer funding, drives university research (and possibly other 
things like overhead or paying a percentage of salary for some with teaching 
loads, etc.), those backseating costs can deeply impact whatever it is we call 
a research university.

I'm about halfway into my "evaluation" of https://consilienceproject.org/. What 
I've seen so far has a healthy plating (I was going to say veneer, but that's too thin) 
of pretty words. But those pretty words sound a tiny bit like Neuralink's corporatized 
strawman/response to these accusations. I bring up Consilience because it's placed in 
between a for-profit company and a research university. On Consilience's About page, you 
see 2 ethical commitments:

• collective attribution of authorship, and
• transparency in methodology

These may seem a bit contradictory to some observers. My guess is that, given 
some time and effort (maybe even semi-automated NLP computation), I could 
ferret out who wrote which featured article. What I'd like to be transparent is 
who contributes what to each article. (This is a professional task I have to 
some extent with my clients ... so it's not mere hobby.)

Going back to the lawsuit against UC Davis and the 3 example spectrum (and 
perhaps even the political tangent SteveS raised), where does Neuralink end and 
UC Davis begin? In our capitalist society, is it reasonable for Neuralink to be 
less susceptible to the flattening you describe by aggregating (not summing 
over) all subjects' projections from a high-dimensional construct?

We see a similar thread in the "academic free speech" rhetoric the alt-right is 
pushing these days (though there are lefty exceptions) ... aka when is an academic not 
talking as an academic? And in the Barret and Gorsuch exhortations that they're not 
partisan hacks ... even when talking at a partisan event.

[sigh] I know these fluffy issues aren't interesting to most people. It's way 
easier to shut up and calculate. But not only are they interesting to me, I 
think they're necessary, then, now, and later.

On 2/15/22 11:30, Marcus Daniels wrote:
For some activity there will be a mesh of consequences, that perhaps with 
enough transparency, debate, and observation the facts of the matter could be 
quantified as a large graph.  Across this graph, one could apply a subject's 
function of the utility of each one of those consequences.   If some of the 
consequences are both illegal and observable and a node represented a risk to 
the subject doing the assessment of the graph, then that node would probably 
result in a negative utility for most subjects and perhaps it will overwhelm 
other positive evaluations across other nodes.  One could perform the same 
procedure across all possible subjects.   The sum would be a social evaluation 
of the mesh of consequences.  I think it would not be very useful, and not even 
address externalized costs.    Throughout this procedure the subjects' utility 
functions would all be subject to advertising, propaganda, religion, blood 
sugar and hormones.    Measure twice you could get different answer.

If there are externalized costs that need to be recognized for the survival of 
humans, then humans will have to create laws with large risks for those that 
don't comply with them.   (Case-by-case harassment, vigilantism, or terrorism 
wouldn't scale as well.)   My guess in this Neuralink case, is that if there 
were any deviations from best practices, they will be aware of this risk in the 
future.   In the cynical view of it being propaganda, well, yes, they'll be 
motivated to make the best kind they can and to set things up to 
compartmentalize the most sensitive or emotionally charged information.


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glen
When elephants fight, it is the grass that suffers.

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