Related to the climate change apocalypse, PG&E has Public Safety Power Shutoffs 
that impact especially people that live in high fire risk areas.  People that 
have experienced shutoffs more than twice can get batteries reimbursed. [1]

With regard to the load balancing issue I was thinking more how I could 
rationalize a purchase of a car using proceeds from my electricity sales (as 
the car sits there).  Neighbors’ summer A/C surge powered by my car at a high 
(but fair!) rate.

[1] 
https://www.pge.com/en_US/residential/save-energy-money/savings-solutions-and-rebates/understand-the-solar-process.page

On Mar 12, 2022, at 3:00 PM, David Eric Smith <[email protected]> wrote:

It seems like the sales pitch on this is always for emergency backup power.  
(And of course, Ford, advertising to Americans, will always go for the 
(always-afraid, but still) he-man survivalist meme.)  But it seems that at 
least a decade ago, and perhaps two, when the need for load balancing to make 
wind or solar power at all compatible with current demand schedules, it was 
proposed that all these EVs we would be building anyway, should just be 
designed as part of the load-balancing capacity.  I am surprised I see so 
little commentary about a system-level design for load balancing, using 
anything that has batteries in it to minimize duplicating and then 
under-utilizing storage capacity.

Or maybe there is such language, and like much else, I just don’t follow enough 
to know about it.


On Mar 13, 2022, at 2:41 AM, Marcus Daniels <[email protected]> wrote:

I totally don't need a pickup, but as the apocalypse approaches (pick your 
favorite!) this is kind of cool.

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2022/03/californias-utility-will-begin-testing-ev-vehicle-to-grid-charging/

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+1 Even though I have a pickup that I don't use as intended, my experiments 
with the motorcycle and bicycle for everyday commuting have failed for the most 
part. But I'd push for a compromise within a spectrum of non-car solutions, a 
manifold approach like:

1) ban all cars from downtown areas,
2) build bike-sized personal transport that doesn't depend on balanced control,
3) optimize for multi-person transport between dense populations and 
oft-traveled routes,
4) self-driving cars for diaspora into suburban/rural areas.

Bicycles/skateboards/scooters don't work for all sorts of reasons (sight, 
balance, carpal tunnel, rain/snow/ice, freight, etc.). People movers only work 
for some use cases. Etc. ≥4 person things like cars have obvious problems, but 
also obvious use cases.

Part of the problem, of course, would be to get enough people on board, to 
centralize the plan enough, to make it do any good ... for the climate or 
whatever problems we're trying to solve.

On 3/11/22 09:30, cody dooderson wrote:

I think a global ban on automobiles would go a long way in GGE, without having 
to resort to nuclear winter and massive population culling. I am also a 
proponent of getting rid of automobiles because I am totally sick of them. I 
would really like to be able to leave my house without having to constantly 
dodge speeding hunks of metal.




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