I an concurrently reading, *Nineteen Ways of Looking at Consciousness*, by
Patrick House and *Mountain in the Sea*, by Ray Nayler. The latter is fiction.
(The former, because it deals with consciousness may also be fiction, but it
purports to be neuro-scientific / philosophical.)
The novel is about Octopi and AI and an android, plus humans and juxtaposes
ideas about consciousness in comparison and contrast. A lot of fun.
Both books pose some interesting questions and both support glen's advocacy of
a typology.
davew
On Tue, Oct 18, 2022, at 1:26 PM, glen wrote:
> There are many different measures of *types* of consciousness. But
> without specifying the type, such questions are not even philosophical.
> They're nonsense.
>
> For example, the test of whether one can recognize one's image in a
> mirror couldn't be performed by a chatbot. But it is one of the
> measures of consciousness. Another type of test would be those that
> measure conscious state before, during, and after anesthesia. Again,
> that wouldn't work the same for a chatbot. But both aggregate measures
> like EEG and fMRI connectomes might have analogs in tracing for
> algorithms like ANNs. If we could simply decide "Yes, *that* chatbot is
> what we're going to call conscious and, therefore, the traced patterns
> it exhibits in the profiler are the correlates for chatbot
> consciousness." Then we'd have a trace-based test to perform on other
> chatbots *with similar computational structure*.
>
> Hell, the cops have their tests for consciousness executed at drunk
> driving checkpoints. Look up and touch your nose. Recite the alphabet
> backwards. Etc. These are tests for types of consciousness. Of course,
> I feel sure there are people who'd like to move the goal posts and
> claim "That's not Consciousness with a big C." Pffft. No typology ⇒ no
> science. So if someone can't list off a few distinct types of
> consciousness, then it's not even philosophy.
>
> On 10/18/22 13:12, Jochen Fromm wrote:
>> Paul Buchheit asked on Twitter
>> https://twitter.com/paultoo/status/1582455708041113600
>>
>> "Is consciousness measurable, or is it just a philosophical concept? If an
>> AI claims to be conscious, how do we know that it's not simply
>> faking/imitating consciousness? Is there something that I could challenge it
>> with to prove/disprove consciousness?"
>>
>> What do you think? Interesting question.
>>
>> -J.
>
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