Oh, I interviewed at a company in Australia once. Sounded terrific and thought 
I was on the fast track with immigration as you say. But then they dropped 
several U.S. candidates, and me, when they learned of salary expectations. 

Reminds me of working for DOE and the crazy overhead. “You can do whatever you 
want, but because of lab overhead, you have exactly one funding source, and 
that’s us.” 

From: Friam <[email protected]> on behalf of J Dalessandro 
<[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, November 12, 2024 at 4:19 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Want to leave the U.S.? 

I moved to New Zealand in 2015 and then Australia in 2016 so happy to provide 
the rosetta stone for those two countries. Spoiler - almost everyone I've ever 
encountered on this list would be on the "immediate skills shortage list" which 
accelerates immigration for both countries. 

Lots of upside, like $1USD = $1.51AUD, socialised medicine, mandatory employer 
backed saving for retirement, plenty of space (size of continental USA with a 
population of 25M). Downsides such as island continent. If it isn't made or 
grown here it is expensivo. Plus, 14 hours by air if you leave family behind in 
the USA. 



Regards, 



Joe 



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On Monday, 11 November 2024 at 03:21, Jochen Fromm <[email protected]> wrote:


Some scientists expected that Trump would win and moved early on to Europe, for 
example John Carlos Baez who moved to Edinburgh in Scotland 
https://mathstodon.xyz/@johncarlosbaez/112721900506353931 


If you think about leaving a future Trumpistan then the following article might 
be interesting. Forbes lists countries welcoming Americans with open arms: 
Spain, Italy, France, and Canada are among them 
https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2024/11/06/want-to-leave-the-us-the-best-countries-for-americans-to-move-to/
 



I believe Australia, Ireland and New Zealand are also good choices simply 
because of the language. 
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/08/americans-interested-in-moving-abroad-skyrocket-after-trumps-win.html
 



-J. 






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