You can say that. But you end by reasserting the privacy of pain. And … Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen
You just cannot have it both ways. N Sent from my Dumb Phone On Oct 3, 2026, at 2:26 PM, [email protected] wrote: Claude was not happy about the theorem proofs that Gemini created. And Jon also mentioned that they are not waterproof. So I asked Claude and Gemini if they could write a new proof. They could. I asked them if we could use gauge theory to explain subjective experience - gauge invariance to describe objectivity, and symmetry breaking for subjectivity. Both Claude and Gemini said yes, and Claude was able to formulate a proof that both could agree on (combining two AIs which have different personalities often gives better results than just using one). Gemini is curious and creative, Claude is accurate and precise. The result was a proof for a theorem of a new "field theory of understanding". I understand only half of the mathematics, but the physicist who use gauge theory for quantum field theories also understand only half of it. I have uploaded the new proofs here. The theorems are named the same, only the proofs are different. If they are more convincing than the old ones, then the idea is to replace the proofs in the appendix with this version. In my opinion the solution to the hard problem looks similar to this - in combination with the other things written in the rest of the book. https://jochenfromm.github.io/PhilosophyBook/QualiaTheorems.pdf Paradoxically the qualia part that is most mysterious for some researchers is not a problem for others at all. Nick for example wrote he does not believe in qualia and sees emotions as regulations. In a post he argued "To me, pain is an emergency organization of my behavior in which I deploy physical and social defenses of various sorts.... To me, the question, “What is it like to be X?”, has been fully answered when you have said where X-like people can be found and what they will be doing there... for me, feeling is a kind of doing, an exploring of the world". I would agree to most of it but for me what an animal is doing alone gives us only a hint what it feels. If a horse for example is injured and feels pain, it does not scream or cry, and you see no tears. Only if you know the animal well you realize that the behavior is slightly different, for example by the things it is not doing. I am certain animals feel pain just as intense as we do, but it is hard to recognize from th eir behavior alone. If it would be better visible, would we still eat pigs and cows in large amounts (this reminds me of "Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows" from Melanie Joy)? -J. .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. / ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-.. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
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