See comments below. -rad ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Horsfall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Full Disclosure List" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 3:12 AM Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] complaints about the governemnt spying!
> On Thu, 29 Dec 2005, Stan Bubrouski wrote: > > > > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > > > safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Jefferson, 1759). > > > > That's actually a Benjamin Franklin quote, which is worded about 1000 > > different ways depending on the source. > > The above is close; the main points are "essential liberty" and "a little > temporary safety". In your example case of aphorisms, you are correct. One is from over 200 years ago, the other less than 40. > In the meantime, perhaps some, umm, US patriot could tell me who authored > these particular aphorisms: > > "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of > patriots and tyrants." This was quoted from General Hummel (actor Ed Harris) from the movie, "The Rock", and was a paraphrased quote from Thomas Jefferson (http://www.monticello.org/reports/quotes/liberty.html) > "The Tree of Islam has to be watered with the blood of martyrs." This was quoted from the Ayatollah Khomeini in the late 70's/early 80's, probably just before the uprising within Iran. > I'm having trouble seeing the difference. > > -- Dave, who is not pro-US, so therefore has to be anti-US, according to Shrub > _______________________________________________ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
