What happened is that they taped the links from Level 3 (and maybe others) between the Exchanges (DE-CIX) and the DCs. That way they got most of the traffic.
German's may want to read http://www.golem.de/news/nsa-skandal-wie-der-de-cix-abgehoert-wird-1308-100745.html [4] Am 2013-08-02 15:50, schrieb Bart van Tuil: > I'd guess that at least Germany The Netherlands and Russia (see map) would > raise hell if the NSA forced their carriers (they still ARE sovereign states, > even if that means nearly nothing to the US). I think there's got to be > something different. > > Bart > > Gary Baribault, 2 augustus 2013 13:22 > > Having access to the building is ok, but you still need to sniff the fibre, > and in a centre like that any tap would be found quickly by one tech or > another .. the guys from NANOG are good, so the deal must be with the > carriers. > > If it's a 'legit' connection then No Problèmo > > Gary B > > On 08/02/2013 07:04 AM, Joseph Jackson wrote: > > Why would they need to peer with all tier 1s? If you get access to the major > exchange points (1 wilshire, 60 hudson, etc) you will get the majority of > traffic. > > FROM: Full-Disclosure [mailto:[email protected]] ON > BEHALF OF XF > SENT: Thursday, August 01, 2013 3:47 PM > TO: Gary Baribault > CC: [email protected] > SUBJECT: Re: [Full-disclosure] XKeyscore sees 'nearly EVERYTHING you do > online > > So you think this is real ? All Tiers 1 would be partner with NSA ? Even in > Europ ? This sound crazy > > Le 1 août 2013 à 22:19, Gary Baribault <[email protected]> a écrit : > > Don't forget that they also have to back haul that data to their data centres > !! They would have to have secret agreements with all of the Tier 1 carriers. > Sure sounds far fetched! > > Gary B > > On 08/01/2013 03:51 PM, XF wrote: > > Right. But where are their tap ? In Internet Exchange Point ? In AS ? And how > can they do that ? "Hello, I'm NSA, can I get a TAP on your network" :-) This > would say that ISP agree and the amount of data to transfer would be so vast > . How can they transfer all this amount of data into their system ?? > > Le 1 août 2013 à 20:56, Gary Baribault <[email protected]> a écrit : > > Optically tapping ALL of the submarine cable going into and out of the U.S. > would still not give them ALL of the claimed data. They have to be tapping > all of the major traffic exchange sites in the U.S. to get this kind of data. > > Gary B > > On 08/01/2013 11:31 AM, XF wrote: >> Did you understood how > > they collect data ? This is not clear for me...ISP backdoor > > ? Optical tap on sub marine wire ? > >> > >> Le 1 août 2013 à 16:26, Georgi Guninski <[email protected]> > > a écrit : > >> > >>> it will be interesting to me what will remain of > > the nsa > >>> when the chinese comrades stop giving fresh money > > to the usa. > >>> > >>> Detroit news are not very pink. > >>> > >>> On Thu, Aug 01, 2013 at 11:20:27PM +1200, Hugh > > Davenport wrote: > >>>> meanwhile, in new zealand, prime minister > > suggests that we aren't > >>>> the slaves for nsa... > >>>> > >>>> On 2013-08-01 19:23, Georgi Guninski wrote: > >>>>> XKeyscore sees 'nearly EVERYTHING you do > > online > >>>>> > >>>>> > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/31/prism_put_in_the_shade_by_leak_about_even_more_powerful_snoop_tool/ > [1] > >>>>> New NSA tool exposed: XKeyscore sees > > 'nearly EVERYTHING you do online' > >>>>> > >>>>> From the presentation: > >>>>> * Show me all the exploitable machines in > > country X > >>>>> > >>>>> * How do I find a cell of terrorust that > > has no > >>>>> connection to known strong-selectors > >>>>> **Anomalous events > >>>>> ***Someone who is using encryption > >>>>> > >>>>> > > _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > >>>>> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html [2] > >>>>> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ [3] > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > >>>> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html [2] > >>>> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ [3] > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > >>> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html [2] > >>> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ [3] > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > >> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html [2] > >> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ [3] > > _______________________________________________ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html [2] > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ [3] _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. 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