I think the NSA could twist arms in the U.S. and I think that they could have a deal with the U.K. and maybe Canada, what I have HUGE doubts about is how they transport all of that data back to their data centres, unless they have a massive quantity of dark (private) fibre that no one knows about.
Gary B On 08/01/2013 04:46 PM, XF wrote: > So you think this is real ? All Tiers 1 would be partner with NSA ? > Even in Europ ? This sound crazy > > > > Le 1 aou^t 2013 à 22:19, Gary Baribault <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> a écrit : > >> Don't forget that they also have to back haul that data to their data >> centres !! They would have to have secret agreements with all of the >> Tier 1 carriers. Sure sounds far fetched! >> >> Gary B >> >> >> On 08/01/2013 03:51 PM, XF wrote: >>> Right. But where are their tap ? In Internet Exchange Point ? In AS >>> ? And how can they do that ? "Hello, I'm NSA, can I get a TAP on >>> your network" :-) This would say that ISP agree and the amount of >>> data to transfer would be so vast . How can they transfer all this >>> amount of data into their system ?? >>> >>> >>> Le 1 aou^t 2013 à 20:56, Gary Baribault <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> a écrit : >>> >>>> Optically tapping ALL of the submarine cable going into and out of >>>> the U.S. would still not give them ALL of the claimed data. They >>>> have to be tapping all of the major traffic exchange sites in the >>>> U.S. to get this kind of data. >>>> >>>> Gary B >>>> >>>> On 08/01/2013 11:31 AM, XF wrote: >>>> > Did you understood how they collect data ? This is not clear for >>>> > me...ISP backdoor ? >>>> Optical tap on sub marine wire ? >>>> > >>>> > Le 1 aou^t 2013 à 16:26, Georgi Guninski <[email protected]> >>>> a écrit : >>>> > >>>> >> it will be interesting to me what will remain of the nsa >>>> >> when the chinese comrades stop giving fresh money to the usa. >>>> >> >>>> >> Detroit news are not very pink. >>>> >> >>>> >> On Thu, Aug 01, 2013 at 11:20:27PM +1200, Hugh Davenport wrote: >>>> >>> meanwhile, in new zealand, prime minister suggests that we aren't >>>> >>> the slaves for nsa... >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On 2013-08-01 19:23, Georgi Guninski wrote: >>>> >>>> XKeyscore sees 'nearly EVERYTHING you do online >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/31/prism_put_in_the_shade_by_leak_about_even_more_powerful_snoop_tool/ >>>> >>>> New NSA tool exposed: XKeyscore sees 'nearly EVERYTHING you do >>>> online' >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From the presentation: >>>> >>>> * Show me all the exploitable machines in country X >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> * How do I find a cell of terrorust that has no >>>> >>>> connection to known strong-selectors >>>> >>>> **Anomalous events >>>> >>>> ***Someone who is using encryption >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >>>> >>>> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >>>> >>>> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >>>> >>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >>>> >>> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >>>> >>> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >>>> >> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >>>> >> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >>>> > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >>>> > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >>>> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >>>> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >>
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