On Tue, 5 Dec 2006, Paul Munday wrote:

> On Mon, 2006-12-04 at 21:55 +0000, Drsolly wrote:
> > On Mon, 4 Dec 2006, Lubomir Kundrak wrote:
> > 
> > > On Po, 2006-12-04 at 11:11 +0000, Drsolly wrote:
> > > > In my case, there's the issue of copyright. As the owner and creator of 
> > > > my
> > > > face and body shape, I claim intellectual property in it, and they would
> > > > have to negotiate a licence to use it or any deriative work based on 
> > > > it, 
> > > > such as a picture of me.
> > > 
> > > Oh, you created yourself? Nice :)
> >  
> > Well, partly. Especially the outward appearance, which is what a photogaph 
> > copies.
> > 
> > For example, the style of my hair, the presence/absence of a mustache and
> > beard, the length of my eyebrows, and, especially, the size of my stomach.  
> > In addition, there's the clothes that I choose to wear (including my hat).  
> > It all adds up to a "work of creation", possibly some people might even
> > call it a "work of art" (even an ugly object can be a work of art) in
> > which the overall appearance is mostly my own work (including elements
> > that I have paid other people to create).
> 
>  UK copyright law seem to think otherwise,  
> Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 sez:
> Copyright is a property right which subsists in accordance with this
> Part in the following descriptions of work—
>          (a) original literary, dramatic, musical or artistic works,
>          (b) sound recordings, films, broadcasts or cable programmes,
>         and
>          (c) the typographical arrangement of published editions.
> and:
>  artistic work" means—
>          (a) a graphic work, photograph, sculpture or collage,
>         irrespective of artistic quality,
>          (b) a work of architecture being a building or a model for a
>         building, or
>          (c) a work of artistic craftsmanship.

I am a work of artistic craftsmanship, irrespective of artistic quality.

> But even if you were covered that would stop people making themselves
> look like you, not taking a photo.

A photo of me is a derivative work.
 
> The consensus amoung photographers (in the UK at least) seems to be that
> you need a model release form if someone is the main (and deliberate)
> subject, not if they happen just to be there e.g. part of a crowd or a
> bystander.  Copyright subsists with the person taking the photo. 
>         
> 
> > You cannot simply copy someone else's intellectual property without
> > their permission. 
> 
> Copy is the operative word. Taking a photo can be a new work. 
 
It's a derivative work. You wouldn't be able to make the photo, unless you 
had me in your viewfinder.

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