On Tue, 22 Jul 2008, Tomas L. Byrnes wrote:

> First, this isn't about murder rates, but about the fundamental
> underpinning of liberty: that it is we the people, not the state, who
> are vested with ultimate power. I'd be willing to accept a 10x higher
> chance of being killed over the "safety" of a police state.

But it isn't 10% more. It's 400% more. You have five times as many murders 
in the US than in the UK, per capita.
  

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