I agree with your points. I'm not an Apple guy (at all).
But I'm dammed impressed with this Ipad. (Yeah, the Flash things sucks, but whatever, it's what it is.) Alex From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joel Esler Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 11:24 AM To: Dan Kaminsky Cc: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy My point in saying that was that Windows 7, with touch controls is not a touch OS. If you've tried to use Windows 7 with your finger, it's essentially a mouse pointer under your finger. It's inelegant, it's imprecise, and hard to use. Apple took the time to figure out how people would use an OS that is touch, and they invented the iPhone and the iPod touch and continually refine it. Make no bones about it, I'm an Apple guy, and apologist. I've used Windows Vista and Windows 7 with touch enabled on a touch device, and it's not even close to the experience that you get on an iPhone or any of the future Apple devices that will be touch enabled (not just the iPad, but the Macbooks). A touch OS is different from a regular OS. A regular OS you navigate with a keyboard and mouse, a touch OS you navigate with your finger, (or several fingers). You can do things in a touch OS that you can't do in a regular OS and Microsoft has not figured that out. yet. Even if you use natural devices like ink (a pen based device to navigate your OS), it's still a "mouse pointer". Not saying they won't. But they will. We are on the edge of OS development. We are going away from the "folder" "file icon" type of OS and computers that you navigate with your keyboard and mouse into a whole new field of OSes and devices. On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Dan Kaminsky <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: What's the bright line? On Feb 2, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Joel Esler <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: But Windows 7, despite what MSFT is trying to do, is not a touch OS. The iPhone OS is a touch OS. J On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Dragos Ruiu <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: On 28-Jan-10, at 3:06 PM, Hubbard, Dan wrote: The gOOglePAD will have flash support, but it most likely will be a fake codec. The Nokia minilaptop, which I just finally saw/held a real version of, is at about the same price point as the iPad, runs Win7 and has a 3G connection but has real kb. They are in the same weight range and I would argue are competing for the same usage/market. cheers, --dr -- World Security Pros. Cutting Edge Training, Tools, and Techniques Vancouver, Canada March 22-26 http://cansecwest.com Amsterdam, Netherlands June 16/17 http://eusecwest.com pgpkey http://dragos.com/ kyxpgp -- Joel Esler _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. -- Joel Esler
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