As someone who uses all 3 OS's very regularly, I have to admit, the OS 10
beta was crashing alot when I rcieved my first copy. Since however, I have
successfully managed to get it installed on my PaowerMac G3 and have been
running it with a few minor issues for over a month.
I have to agree and disagree with some of the repsonses in this thread. I
grew up as a MacFan. I used them as a graphic artist for years before I was
ever "forced" to use a PC. I have been, ever since, trying to find an
alternative. I have been running Linux for over 3 years and absolutely love
it. This has helped me to make one disappointing discovery over the last
month, BSD kernel or not, OSX is not like running a Linux machine!! Its more
like using a Mac with some really cool interface enhancements like
Kaliedescope. I will most certainly move to it full time when its released
but I (as a MacFan) have not seen what all the hype is about.
Just my .02 worth.
Russ
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Wolfinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 8:46 PM
To: Fusebox
Subject: Re: OT:ALLR on the mac
Alright:
I am not trying to start Mac vs. PC wars here, but I feel I need to respond
to some of this.
> First of all, it is not so mythical considering you can download
> betas that are rather funtioncal at this point.
>From everything I've herd, including Fanmactics, the betas are crashing
everyone's systems. Therefore I consider a OS X/10 quite mythical, since it
cannot even run properly for the majority of beta developers.
> You can get these as Darwin which has reportedly run even on x86
> hardware.
I have herd the same thing, which is pretty cool, but knowing Steve Jobs
he'll probably try to prevent porting the OS to PC hardware.
> These are not just "layers on layers" of stuff. They are
> using some of the coolest features of a lot of systems to
> make this a truly cool OS.
Their current OS is based on the same source as the 1986 Macintosh. They
have layered the OS since and Apple even admits this as part of a selling
point for the revamp of the OS.
> ...... dont trash it unless your sure what your trashing.
I don't see how my last post was anywhere inaccurate. You even said
yourself it is using a BDS Kernel, which I stated. The OS has been layered
ontop of previous code since 1986 and that is why they are doing a complete
rewrite. Pretty much a brand new OS with the Apple flavor/vision
incorporated.
=================================================================
> UIs coupled with true power in the form of full access to UNIX. I've used
You will not be able to just drop out to a bash prompt with OS X. In fact
it will take the work of some dedicated open source fans to port everything
over.
> LINUX and thought it was primitive both because it took me 3 days to
install
> and also because there wasn't any coherency to how the system works. I am
Linux being primitve shows that you have not used it at all. It handles
memory management more efficient, runs SMP (symetric multiprocessing)
better, if your mout points (partitions) are set up properly disk access is
cleaner and faster, and over out performs both Windows and Mac. I just
finished installing a Dual Win2k/Red Hat 7 booter on my laptop before
reading this mail and the RH Linux install took about 20 minutes. I think
you find it so daunting because it is unfamiliar and the learning curve is
so high.
> OSX. It's the holy grail of Operating systems to me... a simple to use
> UNIX.. running on kick ass hardware and with access to the huge library of
> programming tools that the UNIX guys always had.
OS X will not have all of these UNIX tools built in. They will have to be
ported over and you will not be able to just slip out to the bash prompt
from OS X/10.
> PS Did I mention that everything on screen is anti-aliased so text is
> totally easy to read almost like reading a book... one of the great things
Your screen is already anti-aliased....there is a setting in Windows for
fonts to be antialiased or not.
--=@ greg @=--
P.S. I installed a dual boot Win2k/Red Hat 7.0 just before reading this
message and it took about 25minutes to do the RH Linux install.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edward Chowdhury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Fusebox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 2:09 PM
Subject: RE: OT:ALLR on the mac
> Thank you for pointing this out Jeremy. I for one can't wait to start
using
> OS X on a G4 Powerbook. The only thing stopping me is that Cold Fusion
> doesn't run on it. There's a lot to be said for simple elegant machines
and
> UIs coupled with true power in the form of full access to UNIX. I've used
> LINUX and thought it was primitive both because it took me 3 days to
install
> and also because there wasn't any coherency to how the system works. I am
> more productive using Windows NT and will be even more so when I switch to
> OSX. It's the holy grail of Operating systems to me... a simple to use
> UNIX.. running on kick ass hardware and with access to the huge library of
> programming tools that the UNIX guys always had.
>
> edward
>
> PS Did I mention that everything on screen is anti-aliased so text is
> totally easy to read almost like reading a book... one of the great things
> about basing the display system on PDF...minor point but makes a
difference
> in my day to day life reading code.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeremy Allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 11:54 AM
> To: Fusebox
> Subject: RE: OT:ALLR on the mac
>
>
> Just a few comments, about OS X.
>
> First of all, it is not so mythical considering you can download
> betas that are rather funtioncal at this point.
>
> OS X is based on rhapsody, which is a unix based OS that includes
> stuff from NeXT and Mac.
>
> Okay, further more, OS X is built on Mach microkernel FreeBSD
> and a number of other open source projects.
>
> You can get these as Darwin which has reportedly run even on x86
> hardware.
>
> There are several other API's available, graphics API's etc.
>
> These are not just "layers on layers" of stuff. They are
> using some of the coolest features of a lot of systems to
> make this a truly cool OS.
>
> I did some minor work with GNUStep which is a clone of
> NeXT environment and I always thought the API was very clean
> and slick for an Obj-C encironment.
>
> Anyways, heres a site.
>
>
> http://www.apple.com/macosx/technologies/inside.html
>
> ...... dont trash it unless your sure what your trashing..
>
> Thanks
>
> Jeremy Allen
> elliptIQ Inc.
>
>
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Greg Wolfinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 10:12 AM
> >To: Fusebox
> >Subject: Re: OT:ALLR on the mac
> >
> >
> >> OS X.
> >
> >Ahh yes the mithical OS X. Nothing but a FreeBSD kernel hacked apart by
a
> >bunch of guys who know only how to put layers and layers over the
exsisting
> >mac os.
> >
> >--=@ greg @=--
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Russell Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "Fusebox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 1:19 AM
> >Subject: Re: OT:ALLR on the mac
> >
> >
> >> God I hope so.
> >>
> >> I believe it would have to be true as the CEO of Macromedia recently
> >> announced at Macworld that ALL of theirproducts would soon be
> >availible on
> >> OS X.
> >>
> >> I'm sure am a happy camper :)
> >>
> >> > Maybe this means a version of ColdFusion for Mac!!! Please oh please
oh
> >> > please!!!
> >> >
> >> > Russ
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Stephen M. Aylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 5:54 PM
> >> > To: Fusebox
> >> > Subject: Re: OT:ALLR
> >>
> >> --
> >> Russell Jones
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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