Ok Really this will be my last post because this thread should probably die
but I would like to point out some inaccuracies in this message:
>> You will not be able to just drop out to a bash prompt with OS X. In
fact
>> it will take the work of some dedicated open source fans to port
everything
>> over.
Not true. You can run terminal.app which is a console and can use any of
tcsh, csh and bash along with apache, php, tomcat etc, basically anything
that already runs on BSD will run on OS X.
>> Linux being primitve shows that you have not used it at all. It handles
>> memory management more efficient, runs SMP (symetric multiprocessing)
>> better, if your mout points (partitions) are set up properly disk access
is
>> cleaner and faster, and over out performs both Windows and Mac. I just
>> finished installing a Dual Win2k/Red Hat 7 booter on my laptop before
>> reading this mail and the RH Linux install took about 20 minutes. I
think
>> you find it so daunting because it is unfamiliar and the learning curve
is
>> so high.
That's not what I meant by primitive. I'll be the first to agree that LINUX
has all the hallmarks of a modern OS in terms of preemptive multitasking,
etc. etc which Mac OS 9 does not have right now. By primitive I mean that
most things dealing with day to day operation of the OS require command line
tools and primitive looking utilities to configure and there is no overall
system to how things are laid out presumably because no one body is
responsible for making sure that everything works in the same way. I happen
to like coherent UIs because I know where everything is once I learn how one
application or utility is set up. I'm more productive right off the bat.
Finally on my Thinkpad 600X using all the howTos that I found on the net it
did take me 3 days to set LINUX up. Red Hat would not find the graphics
card, I never got sound to work at all because Crystal hadn't created a
LINUX driver for the sound card and the beta open source effort left a LOT
to be desired (although I applaud them for trying). The installer had
trouble with the IBM ethernet PC card, whereas I KNOW that installing OS X
on my iMac because the same company controls the hardware and software and
installation and configuration is completely painless, that is until you
have to compile and make any of the true UNIX apps such as apache, tomcat
etc. But at least I won't have to worry about configuring TCP/IP to switch
between my work and home networks because everything to do with configuring
the system is in a control panel, unlike Red Hat where they're scattered all
over the place. Just my personal preference.
cheers,
ed
Ps How do you turn on anti-aliased fonts on a windows nt machine
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Wolfinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 8:46 PM
To: Fusebox
Subject: Re: OT:ALLR on the mac
Alright:
I am not trying to start Mac vs. PC wars here, but I feel I need to respond
to some of this.
> First of all, it is not so mythical considering you can download
> betas that are rather funtioncal at this point.
>From everything I've herd, including Fanmactics, the betas are crashing
everyone's systems. Therefore I consider a OS X/10 quite mythical, since it
cannot even run properly for the majority of beta developers.
> You can get these as Darwin which has reportedly run even on x86
> hardware.
I have herd the same thing, which is pretty cool, but knowing Steve Jobs
he'll probably try to prevent porting the OS to PC hardware.
> These are not just "layers on layers" of stuff. They are
> using some of the coolest features of a lot of systems to
> make this a truly cool OS.
Their current OS is based on the same source as the 1986 Macintosh. They
have layered the OS since and Apple even admits this as part of a selling
point for the revamp of the OS.
> ...... dont trash it unless your sure what your trashing.
I don't see how my last post was anywhere inaccurate. You even said
yourself it is using a BDS Kernel, which I stated. The OS has been layered
ontop of previous code since 1986 and that is why they are doing a complete
rewrite. Pretty much a brand new OS with the Apple flavor/vision
incorporated.
=================================================================
> UIs coupled with true power in the form of full access to UNIX. I've used
You will not be able to just drop out to a bash prompt with OS X. In fact
it will take the work of some dedicated open source fans to port everything
over.
> LINUX and thought it was primitive both because it took me 3 days to
install
> and also because there wasn't any coherency to how the system works. I am
Linux being primitve shows that you have not used it at all. It handles
memory management more efficient, runs SMP (symetric multiprocessing)
better, if your mout points (partitions) are set up properly disk access is
cleaner and faster, and over out performs both Windows and Mac. I just
finished installing a Dual Win2k/Red Hat 7 booter on my laptop before
reading this mail and the RH Linux install took about 20 minutes. I think
you find it so daunting because it is unfamiliar and the learning curve is
so high.
> OSX. It's the holy grail of Operating systems to me... a simple to use
> UNIX.. running on kick ass hardware and with access to the huge library of
> programming tools that the UNIX guys always had.
OS X will not have all of these UNIX tools built in. They will have to be
ported over and you will not be able to just slip out to the bash prompt
from OS X/10.
> PS Did I mention that everything on screen is anti-aliased so text is
> totally easy to read almost like reading a book... one of the great things
Your screen is already anti-aliased....there is a setting in Windows for
fonts to be antialiased or not.
--=@ greg @=--
P.S. I installed a dual boot Win2k/Red Hat 7.0 just before reading this
message and it took about 25minutes to do the RH Linux install.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edward Chowdhury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Fusebox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 2:09 PM
Subject: RE: OT:ALLR on the mac
> Thank you for pointing this out Jeremy. I for one can't wait to start
using
> OS X on a G4 Powerbook. The only thing stopping me is that Cold Fusion
> doesn't run on it. There's a lot to be said for simple elegant machines
and
> UIs coupled with true power in the form of full access to UNIX. I've used
> LINUX and thought it was primitive both because it took me 3 days to
install
> and also because there wasn't any coherency to how the system works. I am
> more productive using Windows NT and will be even more so when I switch to
> OSX. It's the holy grail of Operating systems to me... a simple to use
> UNIX.. running on kick ass hardware and with access to the huge library of
> programming tools that the UNIX guys always had.
>
> edward
>
> PS Did I mention that everything on screen is anti-aliased so text is
> totally easy to read almost like reading a book... one of the great things
> about basing the display system on PDF...minor point but makes a
difference
> in my day to day life reading code.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeremy Allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 11:54 AM
> To: Fusebox
> Subject: RE: OT:ALLR on the mac
>
>
> Just a few comments, about OS X.
>
> First of all, it is not so mythical considering you can download
> betas that are rather funtioncal at this point.
>
> OS X is based on rhapsody, which is a unix based OS that includes
> stuff from NeXT and Mac.
>
> Okay, further more, OS X is built on Mach microkernel FreeBSD
> and a number of other open source projects.
>
> You can get these as Darwin which has reportedly run even on x86
> hardware.
>
> There are several other API's available, graphics API's etc.
>
> These are not just "layers on layers" of stuff. They are
> using some of the coolest features of a lot of systems to
> make this a truly cool OS.
>
> I did some minor work with GNUStep which is a clone of
> NeXT environment and I always thought the API was very clean
> and slick for an Obj-C encironment.
>
> Anyways, heres a site.
>
>
> http://www.apple.com/macosx/technologies/inside.html
>
> ...... dont trash it unless your sure what your trashing..
>
> Thanks
>
> Jeremy Allen
> elliptIQ Inc.
>
>
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Greg Wolfinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 10:12 AM
> >To: Fusebox
> >Subject: Re: OT:ALLR on the mac
> >
> >
> >> OS X.
> >
> >Ahh yes the mithical OS X. Nothing but a FreeBSD kernel hacked apart by
a
> >bunch of guys who know only how to put layers and layers over the
exsisting
> >mac os.
> >
> >--=@ greg @=--
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Russell Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "Fusebox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 1:19 AM
> >Subject: Re: OT:ALLR on the mac
> >
> >
> >> God I hope so.
> >>
> >> I believe it would have to be true as the CEO of Macromedia recently
> >> announced at Macworld that ALL of theirproducts would soon be
> >availible on
> >> OS X.
> >>
> >> I'm sure am a happy camper :)
> >>
> >> > Maybe this means a version of ColdFusion for Mac!!! Please oh please
oh
> >> > please!!!
> >> >
> >> > Russ
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Stephen M. Aylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 5:54 PM
> >> > To: Fusebox
> >> > Subject: Re: OT:ALLR
> >>
> >> --
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> >>
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