You've run into my current consternation with mind mapping and Fuseminder (and 
I WROTE the thing!).  FM was written to parse outlines as generated by Visual 
Mind.  MindMapper+ is (IMHO) a better mind mapping package, but its exported 
outlines aren't quite FM-friendly.  In particular, it doesn't indent Fusedocs 
correctly under their fuse files (Fusedocs should be indented two spaces 
further than the filename entries to which they belong).  Consequently, to use 
the current version of FM with MM+, a bit of outline massaging is required.

Stay tuned, though--the current version of FM is far from the last...

- Jeff


On 23 Apr 2001, at 7:59, McCollough, Alan wrote:

> I'd say that's my experience, too. End users tend to fixate on the user
> interface, and all that talk about functionality is totally over their
> heads.
> 
> Now, I've had a blast this week playing with that MindMapper product, and
> have used it to beat details out of three different users for three
> different apps. Without ever showing them a webpage, I was to dig out of 'em
> what the expected actions were for given sets of people "User", "Admin",
> etc. 
> 
> "What does the user do?"
> "they review their credit card statement"
> "Ok, so under 'User', I can add 'Review Statement'?"
> "Yeah."
> 
> And so on. Basically, I got the other person to define the major fuseactions
> in the app. Now, I couldn't get the FuseMinder app to build out the basic
> fusebox for me, so I did it manually. Hm. I've struck out with both
> FuseMinder and WireFrame. I think I better take Hal's class; I'm losing
> sight of the obvious, I think...
> 
> But, back to the topic; I found that MindMapper application (
> www.mindmapper.com ) to be a great tool for doing a good case study with a
> client without having to get caught up in which shade of red is prettier.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:       Hal Helms [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent:       Friday, April 20, 2001 12:33 PM
> > To: Fusebox
> > Subject:    RE: Wireframes
> > 
> > I started with NetObjects Fusion, Mike! I liked it a lot, but the problem
> > I
> > kept running into was people concentrating on the placement of objects, or
> > the colors, or the overall layout when all I wanted was the functionality.
> > I
> > told, begged, pleaded and implored with them to ignore everything else.
> > What
> > they ignored was me! They wanted to talk about whether the buttons should
> > be
> > on the left or on top and what color the background should be, etc.
> > 
> > So if you can get the results you want with NetOjbects Fusion, go for it,
> > I
> > say.
> > 
> > Hal Helms
> > Team Allaire
> > [ See www.halhelms.com <http://www.halhelms.com>  for info on training
> > classes ]
> > {redacted}
> 
>
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