As a once quite-active newbie (now a grizzled lurker), I can attest to the
incredibly embracing nature of the entire FB community (well, there might be
one or two exceptions, but no need to worry about those at the moment :).
While the participating crew may fluctuate on any given day, the advice and
support is uniformly high and always delivered with friendly patience.  This
is certainly one of the most supportive (and often entertaining!) developer
communities in existence.  

What made it truly special to me is that the leading lights of the group are
'just folks', and as down-to-earth as anyone you'll ever meet (as your
experience with Jeff has shown).  And if you don't believe that last
statement, I encourage you to stop by Hal's room any night at the next
conference you attend :).  

Speaking of conferences (this is an unpaid endorsement :), I can't speak
highly enough of the excellent work Michael Smith and the Teratech folks
have done organizing CFUN (now CFUNITED) over the last several years.  This
year's event promises to be the best ever.  If you've never attended one,
I'd strongly encourage you to go and meet some of the folks face to
face--other than one of Hal's classes, it will most likely be the best
learning experience you can have as a developer.  It's also great fun, and
it gives you a chance to pay off your 'beer debts' to the folks who've
helped you :).

Welcome to the party, Andy--the fun is only beginning . . .

Cheers,
REM O-

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Mcshane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 10:08 AM
> To: Fusebox
> Subject: RE: Newbie on Fusebox4.1
> 
> The more I learn about Fusebox, the more I am starting to 
> enjoy it! I can certainly say that there will be many more 
> questions along the way but I feel safe in the knowledge that 
> there are experienced and patient people here who are willing 
> to help, makes it a lot less scary!
> 
>  
> ________________________________
> 
> From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wed 16/02/2005 17:58
> To: Fusebox
> Subject: RE: Newbie on Fusebox4.1
> 
> 
> 
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Brian's is 
> > good advice.  One of the nice things about Fusebox is that it gets 
> > your app organized in such a way that learning and implementing new 
> > techniques becomes much easier.
> >  That's the whole point of the Wegot Widgets series of 
> apps--to show 
> > how you can build up a set of skills starting with very basic stuff 
> > and tacking on from there.
> >
> > Once you have a good understanding of the various skills and 
> > techniques, you can make better overall architectural decisions at 
> > design time.
> 
> Just to add to Brian and Jeff's comments....
> 
> Going back and taking care of bugs and reworking code is all 
> part of refactoring. No application is 100% complete ever, 
> IMO. Rather is reaches a point of acceptable 
> performance/function/reliability. Until you are happy with it 
> and as you learn new and alternate ways of doing things, 
> refactor, refactor, refactor! :-) You can continuously expand 
> your app and Fusebox actually lends itself nicely to 
> enhancing and improving.
> 
> For instance... let's say you didn't know about the benefits 
> of cfqueryparam and cfprocparam. In FB you know that all the 
> affected areas are in act_ and qry_ files and maybe some 
> plugins. Chances are you can make the changes rather quickly.
> 
> Another example... lets say you want to start and incorporate 
> CFCs. You can rearchitect your application in your favorite 
> design tools and slowly swap pieces in and out due to the 
> modularity that FB provides.
> 
> I have been working on the same app for over a year now and 
> can tell you that is has gotten  much smaller in terms of 
> code, but 50x more efficient and stable.
> 
> Keep up the good questions Andy!
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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