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Well,
that could be true. This particular client is actually a former director of a
large well known search engine submission company, and he has been tracking
where all his hits are coming from and analysing them in relation to where he
spends his advetising dollars. I actually suspect he knows what he's doing.
Perhaps after a longer period of time the results would eventually be the same
as if he had just done the free submit stuff and left it at that, but he has
only been going since the beginning of the year and he started getting results
after about six-eight weeks. I wouldn't recommend that approach to most of my
clients - but in this case the guy is willing to work at it and he's getting
sales accordingly. I personally wouldn't want to spend that money upfront - but
then I wouldn't want to make a living selling things on web sites
:)
With
that particlar client though it's all relative to his view. Once you send out
your website to get indexed to a million places it just takes time. So you
have customer a that spends a ton of money with consultants and search engine
safe url's and I have customer b that does a link exchange program, no ses
url's. They will both get results, they will both take time, except customer b
has more cost and has a little processor overheard for ses urls, and not as
good log reporting, whereas customer b spent little money and has meaningful
log reports. 2 years ago search consultants were worth something, but ever
since google set the bar higher and determined that keywords really don't mean
anything a lot of the more popular search engines have had to follow that and
find better ways to analyze websites. I bet your client has a lot of people
linking to him saying go here for such and such they have a good site. That is
where he really gets his traffic from.
Robert Everland III
Dixon Ticonderoga
Web Developer
Extraordinaire
I
have one particular client who gets nearly *all* his business from seach
engine referrals. He spends a fortune on search consultants, optimizing
his keywords etc. I was surprised but he *is* making money. Try telling him
that some search engines don't matter...
So why do you bother using SES urls? Granted there are search
engines out there that don't spider dynamic sites, but how much longer
could those really be around anymore?
Robert Everland III
Dixon Ticonderoga
Web Developer
Extraordinaire
It does suck - like I said, I ended up writing my own log files
and my own analyzer. The reports I need are not quite as in-depth
as what Webtrends offers, but they work for me.
I did not realize that, why bother even using ses url's then. I
thought they were supposed to help with reporting. I am gonna have to
redo that site now. At least using non SES url's I have the option of
products eventually decoding the url stream. This totally
sucks.
Robert Everland III
Dixon Ticonderoga
Web
Developer Extraordinaire
I think that part is actually the http_referer (which I get
too). What do you show for an actual http get of a page?
This one looks like it's a page hit for
threelogos.jpg.
Here is a site I have using ses urls, and it is showing
everything after index.cfm
Robert Everland III
Dixon Ticonderoga
Web
Developer Extraordinaire
I use SES URLs, so where you have http://127.0.0.1/shop/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.products&ndx=244&sec=1&cat=6,
I would have http://127.0.0.1/shop/index.cfm
since I get nothing after index.cfm with SES. If I use a
"normal" query string, then I would get exactly what you
do. I have been able to get Webtrends to show me the query
string, but it was not without difficulty. Unfortunately,
I don't remember how I did it - there's a screen somewhere where
you can set up a bunch of individual URLs to look for, and I
think that's where I did it. It did take a f'n lifetime
though, since I had to set up almost every
possibility.
Here is a sample from my logfiles, I have
all of the default webtrend suggested logging checked. Are you
missing any of this, it seems to me that it is catching
everything a user does on my end, what is different on
yours?
#Software: Microsoft Internet Information
Services 5.0
#Version: 1.0
#Date: 2002-05-08
14:10:25
#Fields: date time c-ip cs-username s-sitename
cs-method cs-uri-stem cs-uri-query sc-status sc-bytes cs-bytes
time-taken cs-version cs-host cs(User-Agent) cs(Cookie)
cs(Referer)
Robert Everland III
Dixon
Ticonderoga
Web Developer Extraordinaire
The base problem is that IIS
does not log PATH_INFO. Nothing to do with webtrends
at all.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May
09, 2002 8:03 PM
Subject: RE: Web
Trends
Shouldn't
the real solution come from Webtrends? Maybe the FB
Steering Committee could open negations with Webtrends on
behalf of the ever-growing fusebox community to create an
FB3 plugin or something for
Webtrends.
-- Jeffrey
Marsh
-----Original
Message-----
From: Gallant, Ron
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Sent: Thursday, May
09, 2002 6:25 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: Web
Trends
Well
my company uses webtrends, we just kinda plug into that.
Not a whole lot of options. other then scratching
FB3. Yah right. lol
Thanks
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