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Yeah,
I bet you because of where he came from he prob spent more than he could have
had to. If he would have submitted the url, then done what you suggested and
looked at where his traffic came from and spent accordingly cheap skates like me
could get the same reults for less. I think the biggest way to get traffic
though is to do a link exchange, you could pay someone or do it for recirprical
links, that really gets you results.
Robert Everland III
Dixon Ticonderoga
Web Developer
Extraordinaire
Well, that could be true. This particular client is actually a former
director of a large well known search engine submission company, and he has
been tracking where all his hits are coming from and analysing them in
relation to where he spends his advetising dollars. I actually suspect he
knows what he's doing. Perhaps after a longer period of time the results would
eventually be the same as if he had just done the free submit stuff and left
it at that, but he has only been going since the beginning of the year and he
started getting results after about six-eight weeks. I wouldn't recommend that
approach to most of my clients - but in this case the guy is willing to work
at it and he's getting sales accordingly. I personally wouldn't want to spend
that money upfront - but then I wouldn't want to make a living selling things
on web sites :)
With that particlar client though it's all relative to his view. Once
you send out your website to get indexed to a million places it just takes
time. So you have customer a that spends a ton of money with consultants and
search engine safe url's and I have customer b that does a link exchange
program, no ses url's. They will both get results, they will both take time,
except customer b has more cost and has a little processor overheard for ses
urls, and not as good log reporting, whereas customer b spent little money
and has meaningful log reports. 2 years ago search consultants were worth
something, but ever since google set the bar higher and determined that
keywords really don't mean anything a lot of the more popular search engines
have had to follow that and find better ways to analyze websites. I bet your
client has a lot of people linking to him saying go here for such and such
they have a good site. That is where he really gets his traffic
from.
Robert Everland III
Dixon Ticonderoga
Web Developer
Extraordinaire
I have one particular client who gets nearly *all* his business
from seach engine referrals. He spends a fortune on
search consultants, optimizing his keywords etc. I was surprised but
he *is* making money. Try telling him that some search engines don't
matter...
So why do you bother using SES urls? Granted there are search
engines out there that don't spider dynamic sites, but how much longer
could those really be around anymore?
Robert Everland III
Dixon Ticonderoga
Web
Developer Extraordinaire
It does suck - like I said, I ended up writing my own log files
and my own analyzer. The reports I need are not quite as
in-depth as what Webtrends offers, but they work for me.
I did not realize that, why bother even using ses url's then.
I thought they were supposed to help with reporting. I am gonna have
to redo that site now. At least using non SES url's I have the
option of products eventually decoding the url stream. This totally
sucks.
Robert Everland III
Dixon Ticonderoga
Web
Developer Extraordinaire
I think that part is actually the http_referer (which I get
too). What do you show for an actual http get of a
page? This one looks like it's a page hit for
threelogos.jpg.
Here is a site I have using ses urls, and
it is showing everything after index.cfm
Robert Everland III
Dixon Ticonderoga
Web
Developer Extraordinaire
I use SES URLs, so where you have http://127.0.0.1/shop/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.products&ndx=244&sec=1&cat=6,
I would have http://127.0.0.1/shop/index.cfm
since I get nothing after index.cfm with SES. If I use a
"normal" query string, then I would get exactly what you
do. I have been able to get Webtrends to show me the
query string, but it was not without difficulty.
Unfortunately, I don't remember how I did it - there's a
screen somewhere where you can set up a bunch of individual
URLs to look for, and I think that's where I did it. It
did take a f'n lifetime though, since I had to set up almost
every possibility.
Here is a sample from my logfiles, I
have all of the default webtrend suggested logging checked.
Are you missing any of this, it seems to me that it is
catching everything a user does on my end, what is different
on yours?
#Software: Microsoft Internet
Information Services 5.0
#Version: 1.0
#Date:
2002-05-08 14:10:25
#Fields: date time c-ip cs-username
s-sitename cs-method cs-uri-stem cs-uri-query sc-status
sc-bytes cs-bytes time-taken cs-version cs-host
cs(User-Agent) cs(Cookie) cs(Referer)
Robert Everland III
Dixon
Ticonderoga
Web Developer Extraordinaire
The base problem is that IIS
does not log PATH_INFO. Nothing to do with webtrends
at all.
----- Original Message
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Sent: Thursday, May
09, 2002 8:03 PM
Subject: RE: Web
Trends
Shouldn't
the real solution come from Webtrends? Maybe the FB
Steering Committee could open negations with Webtrends
on behalf of the ever-growing fusebox community to
create an FB3 plugin or something for
Webtrends.
-- Jeffrey
Marsh
-----Original
Message-----
From: Gallant, Ron
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Sent: Thursday, May
09, 2002 6:25 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: Web
Trends
Well
my company uses webtrends, we just kinda plug into that.
Not a whole lot of options. other then scratching
FB3. Yah right. lol
Thanks
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