Yes, absolutely!  The prototype will be the whole application once I'm
done.  The only thing the prototype doesn't have are the CFML code for
the "database hooks".  Otherwise, everything else is in there, all of it
and if it's not it won't be in the final version.  All HTML, all
JavaScript, all CSS, all images.

-T


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan O'Keefe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 12:54 PM
To: Fusebox
Subject: FLiP and Prototyping


Troy,

Do you also indicate on the prototype which fields are required to
indicate the front end validation as well as DB configuration?

Dan

Prototyping


I, like Jeff, have been working on a project since 1999.  I was brought
on to help with it, but due to poor project management, which looked
good at the time, and failure to get a client to "agree" with the
product in a "prototype" fashion, it still continues today in 2002.

During that time I've been left holding the ball all myself on this
project.  For the past six months I've been reading and trying to apply
the concepts of FLiP with this project.  I currently have developed a
prototype of what they client wants and am using the DevNotes that was
modified by Lee to generate feedback on it.  I was able to generate a
prototype in about two months, working part-time with the knowledge I've
accumulated over the past 3 years, and am nearing the "signoff" phase.
What has taken me almost 3 years to do I have now done is approx. two
months time which is just unreal to me.

I firmly believe that this process is the best process that I've seen in
developing ColdFusion applications.  Having generated the COMPLETE site
in HTML, CSS and JavaScript to show the client and then having them sign
off on a screen-by-screen basis is the ONLY way to protect yourself, in
my opinion.  This forces the clients to give you the feedback you need
and "controls" the "scope creep monster".

Just my thoughts.

-T

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Peters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 2:10 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: FLiP and Prototyping


War story time:

My team is currently working on an application for a federal client.
It's a fairly complex application, replacing a Windows-based client-
server app.  Due to other responsibilities, the signing authority (the
person who would sign off on the prototype) was not available to us for
most of last year, when we were doing the design stages of the app.  As
a result, we proceeded with a prototype that had not been signed by the
client.  I've been working with this client for 5 years now, so I know
the arena quite well, but there are still many areas where we're having
to rework the program concept.

Same client, same environment, different (but related) system:  With the
client's other demands out of the way, I insisted on page-by-page
signoff of the prototype (using a rubber stamp to put an approval block
on each printed page).  We just delivered the first of three phases, and
are now ready to get signoff on the second phase. Because of the
insistence on a tight, signed prototype, this second project proceeds
much more smoothly than the first, even though all the players are the
same, the environment is the same, the culture is the same, etc.

- Jeff

On 7 Jun 2002 at 23:50, hal helms wrote:

> I highly recommend that the entire front end of an application be 
> created as part of the prototype process. I have seen many, many 
> failures occur when prototyping is either skipped entirely or (more
> commonly) not treated seriously enough.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Jonathan Kopanas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 11:27 PM
> To: Fusebox List
> Subject: FLiP and Prototyping
>
>
> In FLiP when you refer to prototyping do you prototype the whole site 
> i.e. do html pages for practically the whole site or just 2 to 3 
> templates?
>
> Is there any tools other then devnotes used for prototyping in this 
> community?
>
> Thanks.
>
> John Jonathan Kopanas
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>

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