We do it your way as well. 

For both of the companies I have worked for we have a lot of leverage over
our clients because they're internal. This means that we get to exert our
will upon them. The DBA's are always in on the project design first, partly
because every new project extends the existing DB, and they get veto rights
on any functionality if they think its going to adversely effect the DB
performance. 

We get the problem that the Flip guys try to avoid; the internal clients are
constantly changing the looks of the interface towards the end of the
project. It's not, however, enough of a problem to change how we operate
because it's quite easy to make frequent iterations because it is so easy to
communicate changes considering that they are typically only a few hallways
away. 

The other reason it isn't ultimately a problem is because we can only spend
so much time on their project because either their spending runs out or
another project with high priority comes up and their project just becomes
idle. In the end they just sort of get what we give them.

I agree that this isn't optimal but corporate culture/standards is/are a
difficult beast to battle. I'm intrigued by the concept but I kind of just
do what I'm told and it all works out in the end.


Chad Kemp

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Rahmn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 3:15 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: FLiP and Prototyping


I guess part of our problem is we've always done it "backwards". Ie - we've
got code that will take a database schema and create a fully functional form
and all necessary files to make it work in Fusebox. It's then relatively
easy to apply html to "pretty it up". The reverse (starting with an html
form and applying cf), is way more time consuming.

Don't get me wrong, I *believe*... I'm just looking for the best way to
retain the benefits of our backwards approach but also keep beni's of
prototyping....

Has anyone else found a way to strike this balance (or do you just suck up
the cost of the html - knowing you get it back in the long run)?
--
Michael Rahmn

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Peters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 12:51 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: FLiP and Prototyping

Typically, you're not coding *again* in Fusebox.  Rather, you're taking the
existing HTML form
and inserting whatever CF you need to make it dynamic.



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