I quite agree, this is the rankest of conspiracy theories and has
tinges of anti-semitism based on stereotypical myths. If this does not
cease I will be signing off very shortly. And for your information, the
evil document known as the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" which was
used by the Nazis to justify genocide (among other things) was a rank
forgery written in the later 19th Century by a tzarist Russian police
official. This hate document keeps going and going and has been
translated into a variety of languages... I would suggest that people be
careful to note this when they use this piece of garbage in their
discussions.
Michael Givel
Tim Rourke wrote:
>
> It is time this whole putrid 'string' about whether jews are capitalists
> dissapeared. It should never have gottern started. If it does not I am
> going to contact the Jewish anti-defamation league. Blech.
>
> Tim R.
>
> Come on Ed,
>
> Jews = Capitalists? I am well able to
> differentiate between "capital" and "capitalism".
> It does not sound as if you can. It is not
> capital that causes people to suffer. But
> capitalism does punish people and tells them they
> should like it. And capitalists do profit from
> that suffering. Some capitalists I know are
> "good" people but they still do bad things to
> other people -- it's what capitalists do. Do you
> support the bad that they do? Do you support the
> McD owner because (s)he does not give his/her
> employees health care? Because he/she does not
> pay a living wage? Because (s)he tries to sell us
> us crap and calls it food? Because (s)he sells us
> beef filled with hormones? I could go on. This
> is "good" behavior? These are good choices? I
> don't think so!
>
> Bruce Leier
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ed Weick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Ed
> Goertzen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 5:15 PM
> Subject: Re: torn: Reply to Ed Wieck
>
> > Ed,
> >
> > The posting you comment on seems to have been
> misunderstood by a lot of
> > people. It was intended as irony and as a
> demonstration of how laying the
> > blame for a wide range of woes and human
> failings on a single group or class
> > can lead to absurd and dangerous conclusions.
> My point is that the world
> > was in a sorry state long before there was an
> identifiable capitalist class.
> > My reference to the Jews was intended to
> illustrate that, if you can trump
> > up enough charges and make them sound credible,
> you can get away with just
> > about anything. Historically, many charges were
> trumped up against the
> > Jews. In ancient times, they killed Christ. In
> medieval times they
> > desecrated the host and participated in blood
> libels, and worst of all,
> > poisoned wells and thereby brought on the
> plague. The 19th century
> > witnessed things like the Dreyfuss affair, and
> in the 20th we had the
> > trumped up Protocols of Zion. The fact that
> some Jews, including Trotsky
> > and some other leading Bolsheviks, were
> communists did not help them either.
> > As Goldhagen demonstrates, convincingly in my
> opinion, so many nefarious
> > labels had been pinned on the Jews by the 1930s
> that they became easy
> > victims. Translate that into some of the things
> posted on the internet
> > recently and you could have a crusade against
> anyone you label a capitalist,
> > including the guy who operates a Macdonalds or
> Starbucks franchise in
> > Seattle. I'm not saying that the Seattle
> protests were such a crusade, but
> > some of the so-called protesters could easily
> have become one.
> >
> > So, to summarize, my quarrel is not with Jews or
> capitalists or any other
> > group, but with pinning labels on people and
> unjustifiably blaming them for
> > things they may not have had much to do with.
> Crusaders did not kill Jews
> > and other infidels because the crusaders were
> capitalists. They killed them
> > because within medieval society they had been
> conditioned to do so. It
> > assured them of a path to heaven. Right now,
> Russians are not killing
> > Chechyns because of capital. They are doing so
> out of animosity going way
> > back into czarist times, because they're afraid
> that if the Chechyns go,
> > much of the Caucuses could follow and perhaps
> also because they want to
> > demonstrate to the world that they are still a
> military power (a very sorry
> > way of doing it!!). To justify what they are
> doing they've pinned a
> > convenient label on the Chechyns, that of
> "terrorists".
> >
> > Hope this clarifies what I was trying to say.
> >
> > Ed Weick
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
