Harry, Please stick around. And please keep posting. The list needs you and perhaps you also need the list. arthur
________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Harry Pollard Sent: Tue 7/3/2007 6:09 PM To: 'Ed Weick'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Futurework] This list Ed, I too didn't post for a long while but actually came back rather as you did - to try to get it moving. As it happened, I managed it, but apparently that is not what is wanted. Good argument, discussion, questions, are what keeps things interesting. Unfortunately, some list members only want the politically correct. They need to be confirmed in their beliefs all the time and if there is disagreement they write like Mike - bitching because some-one casts doubt on the truth they have surrounded and made their own. Perhaps Mike should write to himself. Then, he can be sure he will agree with what he reads. So, I shall not contribute to FutureWork unless I am directly addressed, or referred to (right of personal privilege). I shall miss showing Chris where he is wrong, which I regard as light entertainment. I shall continue to read Karen's contributions which are a delight - even when (often) I disagree with them. I shall miss putting Natalia right (hey, hey, hey - that's a joke). We've had some good exchanges and I respect her strongly held views and occasionally I agree with them. I shall continue to read what Lawry has to say for he is my preferred source for the Arab point of view. He disappointed me with his reaction to the Liberty attack. When Chris mentioned it, I looked it up to remind me what it was about. I checked the first site offered by Google - don't believe I really noticed who was running it, read some of it, and posted the URL to show where I had been. I don't think I even made much of a comment. Then I virtually forgot it. I got back an ad hominem post telling me that the site was hard core Israeli propaganda, along with remarks alluding to my secret "agenda". I seemed to have donned the mantle of an Israeli propagandist, or something. I said I didn't care about the subject, but nevertheless it was worried like a terrier chewing its toy. Of course Chris chimed in. He has obviously been an out-spoken anti-Israelite ever since he has been on this list. But, that doesn't matter, he is often fun to read. So, this subject from some 40 years ago about which I had almost no interest went on and on and on. I obviously touched a nerve or two without meaning to, but a simple reply giving some competing URLS would have done the trick. I might even have looked at them. It wasn't really necessary to accuse me and belittle me - even though it is part of conspiracy theory to do such things. The controversy did allow Mike to be glad that I am not being tolerated anymore. I do suggest that if Mike wants to help the list he posts something with substance instead of bitching. But, that may be too much to ask. Harry ********************************** Henry George School of Social Science of Los Angeles. Box 655 Tujunga CA 91042 818 352-4141 ********************************** > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Ed Weick > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 9:45 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Futurework] This list > > Hi Lawry, > > I've recently returned to the list despite the bad state it's in, and > have > posted about half a dozen on-topic (the future of work) messages > to it > during the past couple of weeks. I've also sent the messages to > my > "undisclosed" list, which includes Karen Cole. My intention is to > revive > and revitalize the list to the extent I can. > > I've had a few responses both on the list and from my > "undisclosed" list. > Where someone from the latter list has said something > worthwhile, I've > posted it to the FW list. > > I don't know if the list will ever come back as the great list it once > was, > but I'm not about to give up on it. I hope that you and others > who may be > lurking in the shadows don't either. > > Regards, > Ed Weick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lawrence de Bivort" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:07 PM > Subject: [Futurework] This list > > > > Greetings everyone, > > > > Since Mike posted this message a couple of weeks ago I have > been thinking > > quite a bit about this list and the state that it is in. > > > > Mike mentions one problem, and I think we have several > besides this one. > > > > I've been a member for several years, and I have never seen > the list as > > dead > > as it is now. There is very little that passes for conversation, and > very > > little genuine exploration or learning going on. > > > > We have always had a problem straying from the nominal > subject of the > > list, > > the future of work. But we have always had vibrant discussions, > until > > these > > last many months. > > > > Karen is carrying on valiantly with her Casey Reports, but > receives no > > feedback and little thanks. > > > > Harry and Chris doggedly pursue their pseudo-discussions with > > argumentative, > > unwavering, and repetitive self-righteousness. > > > > We have obviously lost many valued members in the last > couple of years, > > and > > it is with sadness that I think of their brilliance, energy, > bonhomie, > > curiosity and knowledge. Some of these have explicitly or > privately > > referred to Chris and Harry as the cause of their departure. > > > > The moderators of this list, the list-owners, seem by their > silence to > > accept the deterioration of the list. > > > > Who else misses the qualities that we created here some time > ago? > > > > And if I and Mike are not alone in missing them, what should > we do to > > bring > > this list back up. > > > > The moderators may well tell me that I am overstepping my > place with this > > email, in which case I will happily follow my friends over the > horizon and > > disappear. > > > > If this happens, those of you who know that I enjoy and learn > from your > > postings, and who may from time to time enjoy mine, please > make note of my > > email address in the header to this message, and please know > that you will > > ALWAYS be in my heart and your contacts will always be > deeply welcomed by > > me. > > > > To those who are only lurking here, if you too wish for a day in > which > > vibrant conversations might again prevail, I would love to hear > from you > > as > > well. > > > > And, finally, a desperate request: if any of you are engaged in > > constructive > > and convivial discussions in other fora and might welcome my > > participation, > > please email me.... > > > > Cheers, > > Lawry > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Mike Spencer > > Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 3:13 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [Futurework] [META] Re: Bill Gates,Rockefellers & > Africa's > > biopiracy > > > > > > Hello all -- > > > > I dropped off the FutureWork list a couple of years ago, not > only > > because Harry was trolling [1] the list, trying to provoke > > opportunities for his condescending barbs and his > > free-market-cures-all polemics but as well because all the other > > bright folks on the list were politely responding to him as if his > > posts were mature and sensible contributions and his jibes and > > provocations were unintentional oversights. > > > > I quite missed the dialog so now I've subscribed again and, oh > dear, > > oh dear, what do I find? That Harry is still trolling for > arguments, > > intentionally provoking them and pointlessly prolonging them. > It's a > > bit reassuring that others are no longer tolerating his > provocations > > with good grace in the interest of decorum. On the other hand, > > allowing the list discourse to degenerate into the kind of > shouting > > match that makes Harry feel righteous and important is not a > big win, > > either. > > > > I would hesitate to suggest that the list owner(s) bar Harry from > the > > list but perhaps it would be constructive to simply ignore all of > his > > posts that are devoid of redeeming value or which serve chiefly > as a > > launching platform for his belligerent rhetoric. Harry's skill is > > an ability to be so irritating that one feels compelled to > respond. > > Suppressing that compulsion might improve the FW > conversation. > > > > > > - Mike > > > > > > -------------------------- > > /| /| | | > > ||__|| | Please | > > / O O\__ do not feed | > > / \ the troll. | > > / \ \ | > > / _ \ \ ---------------------- > > / |\____\ \ || > > / | | | |\____/ || > > / \|_|_|/ | __|| > > / / \ |____| || > > / | | /| | --| > > | | |// |____ --| > > * _ | |_|_|_| | \-/ > > *-- _--\ _ \ // | > > / _ \\ _ // | / > > * / \_ /- | - | | > > * ___ c_c_c_C/ \C_c_c_c____________ > > > > > > > > > > [1] On the off chance that you haven't encountered the term > "troll" > > in a net context, here's a snippet from Wikipedia : > > > > In Internet terminology, a troll is someone who > intentionally > > posts derogatory or otherwise inflammatory messages > about > > sensitive topics in an established online community such as > an > > online discussion forum to bait users into responding. > They > > may also plant images and data...in order to cause > > confrontation. > > [...] > > The contemporary use of the term first appeared on > Usenet > > groups in the late 1980s. It is widely thought to be a > > truncation of the phrase "trolling for suckers", itself derived > > from the sport fishing technique of trolling. > > > > > > -- > > Michael Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada .~. > > /V\ > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] /( )\ > > http://home.tallships.ca/mspencer/ ^^-^^ > > _______________________________________________ > > Futurework mailing list > > Futurework@fes.uwaterloo.ca > > http://fes.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Futurework mailing list > > Futurework@fes.uwaterloo.ca > > http://fes.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > _______________________________________________ > Futurework mailing list > Futurework@fes.uwaterloo.ca > http://fes.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list Futurework@fes.uwaterloo.ca http://fes.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework
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