And yet, it seems, that society does need some sort of organizing idea. It can get out of hand as did the idea of economic growth at any cost. The organizing idea or vision in one time period might not work or be appropriate in a later time period but it seems that our society, at least, has come to an idea or vision gridlock.
Arthur From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ed Weick Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 9:09 AM To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION Cc: Dissenters Subject: Re: [Futurework] [Ottawadissenters] Great foresight I’m not so sure that we need another vision. There have been thousands of them since humankind began. They’ve begun with beautiful inspirational thoughts. They’ve usually ended with repression and slaughter. Christianity began with the simple words of Christ and became a vast, repressive and all controlling machine. In its essence, communism is built on the simple and beautiful idea that the people who do the work should own the tools they work with. Out of that came Stalinist Russia. Instead of more visions, what we may need is a stronger sense of realities of the world we live in. Perhaps that’s not possible. It could lead to huge fights over which sense of reality is the correct one and should therefore prevail. Ed _____ From: Arthur Cordell <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: Futurework <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, June 10, 2010 9:18:30 PM Subject: Re: [Futurework] [Ottawadissenters] Great foresight Agree. We really need a positive image for the future. Economic growth, development, regional expansion, etc. have all been seen to be wanting at the least and more often seen to be destructive. What positive images have people come across. Arthur From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lawrence de Bivort Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 9:12 PM To: [email protected] Cc: Futurework Subject: Re: [Ottawadissenters] Great foresight Good catch, Steve. Yes, we have now become dependent and dominated by the very megasystems that we have ourselves created. And they are too complex to understand and too expensive to improve. But the game is not over, by a long shot, and we humans have many tools yet in our toolbox. The main threat comes, I think, from those sunk in despair because they lack the imagine to find solutions, and from those so swallowed in anger that they lack the energy for anything else. Cheers, Lawry On Jun 10, 2010, at 9:18 AM, Steve Kurtz wrote: "We have geared the machines and locked all together into interdependence; we have built the great cities; now there is no escape. We have gathered vast populations incapable of free survival, insulated >From the strong earth, each person in himself helpless, on all dependent. The circle is closed, and the net Is being hauled in." ~ From The Purse Seine, Robinson Jeffers, 1937 __._,_.___ <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97476590/grpId=15209059/grpspId=1705083512/msgId=12423/stime=1276261774> Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ottawadissenters/join;_ylc=X3oDMTJnYWl2YzJpBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzE1MjA5MDU5BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA4MzUxMgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNzdG5ncwRzdGltZQMxMjc2MjYxNzc0> settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch <mailto:[email protected]?subject=email%20delivery:%20Digest> delivery to Daily Digest | Switch <mailto:[email protected]?subject=change%20delivery%20format:%20Fully%20Featured> to Fully Featured Visit <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ottawadissenters;_ylc=X3oDMTJldGZuZzdiBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzE1MjA5MDU5BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA4MzUxMgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNocGYEc3RpbWUDMTI3NjI2MTc3NA--> Your Group | Yahoo! Groups <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Use | Unsubscribe <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> __,_._,___
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