Thanks, Natalia, Your vision of nature and natural law suggests a harmony within species, among species, and between species and the earth. In the evolutionary process, species have been enormously competitive with each others. While the earth may currently harbor some 8,000 species, ever so many more became extinct during the course of evolution, driven out by more successful species.
There is a lot of evidence that our species, homo sapiens, is naturally territorial, aggressive and competitive. It tends to be hierarchical in the way it organizes itself into communities and nations, especially when its numbers begin to stress the resources it depends on. With the exception of small groups here and there, could we ever expect it to live harmoniously with nature? The kind of "natural law" based world you envisage is not one of reality. It strikes me as being one of high idealism. Ed ________________________________ From: Darryl or Natalia <[email protected]> To: "RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION" <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, June 12, 2010 2:00:50 AM Subject: Re: [Futurework] [Ottawadissenters] Great foresight Ed, The vision need not be anything but the stuff of reality, which still leaves us with what our minds will inevitably envision. Reality is the only vision that is guaranteed to work. So, perhaps you would agree that following the natural laws of the universe that have done a splendid and perfect job of things since the beginning of time, we can realistically hope to rejoin the natural stream of evolution. Any natural system such as that of our esteemed Earth, capable of forming and efficiently sustaining life and its necessary and interdependent ecosystems for approximately 8 million species, has got to be the most scientifically trustworthy model to implement, yet it continues to be ignored--at least since, say, humankind started cooking its food or the first economist started profiting from dismantling sustainable economies. We rely on natural law for every aspect of our being, from the most impressive of technologies to our constant heartbeat, yet because we have continued to violate these laws at almost every turn of modern living, we mis-create anxieties and render our children defenseless or defensive against a world fast losing touch with creativity and fulfillment. Nature's model is orderly, efficient, and essentially evolutionary. And its example can be applied to every aspect of civilized life to restore balance. A nation that follows natural laws would swiftly lead as an example to other nations, precluding any disputes about correct realities. This is a huge undertaking, yet the facility with which we could implement these laws would quickly unravel the complexities of existing governmental systems. The will to do so depends either on necessity or education. Hopefully the latter, by consensus, soon. Natalia Kuzmyn Ed Weick wrote: > >I’m not so sure that we need another vision. There have been >thousands of them since humankind began. They’ve begun with beautiful >inspirational thoughts. They’ve usually ended with repression and >slaughter. Christianity began with the simple words of Christ and >became a vast, repressive and all controlling machine. In its essence, >communism is built on the simple and beautiful idea that the people who >do the work should own the tools they work with. Out of that came >Stalinist Russia. Instead of more visions, what we may need is a >stronger sense of realities of the world we live in. Perhaps that’s not >possible. It could lead to huge fights over which sense of reality is >the correct one and should therefore prevail. > > >Ed > > > ________________________________ From: >Arthur Cordell <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Cc: Futurework > <[email protected]> >Sent: Thu, June 10, >2010 9:18:30 PM >Subject: Re: >[Futurework] [Ottawadissenters] Great foresight > > >Agree. >We >really need a positive image for the future. Economic growth, >development, >regional expansion, etc. have all been seen to be wanting at the least >and more >often seen to be destructive. > >What >positive >images have people come across. > >Arthur > >From:[email protected] >>[mailto:[email protected]] > On >Behalf Of Lawrence de Bivort >Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 9:12 PM >To: [email protected] >Cc: Futurework >Subject: Re: [Ottawadissenters] Great foresight > > > >>Good catch, Steve. >Yes, we have now become dependent and dominated >by the very >megasystems that we have ourselves created. And they are too complex to >understand and too expensive to improve. > >But the game is not over, by a long shot, and we >humans have >many tools yet in our toolbox. The main threat comes, I think, from >those sunk >in despair because they lack the imagine to find solutions, and from >those so >swallowed in anger that they lack the energy for anything else. > >Cheers, > >Lawry > > > >On Jun 10, 2010, at 9:18 AM, Steve Kurtz wrote: > > > > > > > > >"We have geared the machines and locked all together into interdependence; we >have built the great cities; now there is no escape. We have gathered vast >populations incapable of free survival, insulated From the strong earth, each >person in himself helpless, on all dependent. The circle is closed, and the >net Is being hauled in." > ~ From The Purse Seine, Robinson Jeffers, 1937 > > > > > > > >__._,_.___ > > > >Your >email settings: Individual Email|Traditional >Change >settings via the Web (Yahoo! 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