Ray, you misunderstand.  I wasn't referring to all Indian communities in 
Canada.  The community I referred to was one of many in the near north of 
Canada, one in which the federal and provincial government requirements had got 
the place and its people stuck.  The feds had moved in via the Indian Act and 
the provinces via the programs they administered -- education, health, welfare 
etc.  My point was that the people had little ability to be themselves and 
assert themselves.  Even their own language, Cree if I recall, was in decline.

I have been to many places in which our Native populations were doing much 
better.  I spent some four years working with Indian people in the Yukon while 
they were negotiating their land claims.  What I saw there was a tremendous 
resurgence of culture, pride and learning.  More recently, I spent a couple of 
years working with the Inuvialuit of the Mackenzie Delta and Beaufort Sea on 
the Mackenzie Gas Pipeline which, if and when it is built, would carry natural 
gas from the delta south.  The Inuvialuit had settled their land claims and 
self-government issues a couple of decades ago and were well organized and 
thriving.  Given the large changes in the lives of their communities, the young 
of the Yukon and Mackenzie Delta and were doing things that they could not hope 
to do or even think of a few decades ago.

I'll have to take your word for how things are in Brazil.  The people I worked 
with in my favela were mostly of black African origin with some white 
admixture.  They were brought over from Africa because the Indian populations 
that the plantations originally enslaved had died out because of the diseases 
the Portuguese had brought with them.  However, I didn't get out into Brazilian 
forests to see what was going on there.  I spent some time in Costa Rica a few 
years ago, and all of the people I worked with there claimed solid Spanish 
origin.  However, I did drive through a small ramshackle community way up on a 
hillside.  Its people were the remnant of a once extensive Quiterrisi culture, 
I was told.

I don't deny what you're saying, but the point I'd make is that the Native 
people of Canada are far better off in some places than in others.  I've met 
young and not so young Native lawyers and young people working on Ph.Ds.   
Where ancient grievances have been settled, there's hope.  Where they haven't 
been settled, as in the northern parts of the prairie provinces, there isn't 
much.

Ed


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ray Harrell 
  To: 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION,EDUCATION' 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 7:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [Futurework] Stuckedness


  I tried to send the list pictures of my home reservation but the server 
didn't post them.    I have them on PDF if any of you would like for me to send 
them to your e-mail.       

   

  Ed, you are talking about me and my home.     I have done a lot with my life 
as has my classmates.    I'm really fed up with the attitudes of people who 
don't know what they are talking about when it comes to human potential and how 
to develop it.        The Indian peoples of Canada have made an attempt to 
recover and restore the old forestry methods.   

   

  What Canada seems not to have learned are the lessons that the Portuguese 
Anthropologists of  Brazil have come to know about Indian people.   That these 
peoples are, civilization wise, are not hunter/gather/foragers but are remnants 
of great populations with fully developed religions, philosophies, languages 
and relationships to the greater forest that they know in their bones.    They 
were farmers and foresters.    Their pedagogy was the basis of Rousseau's book 
on education.    My Aleut Sister who spends her life rescuing these processes 
amongst her own people would tell you a lot about the pedagogical practices of 
the Northern Peoples.     Lessons that non-Indians don't even know exists.    

   

  These economic descriptions are an insult to these people who are treated 
like children by the dominant population and the government.      I would 
recommend that you read some of the more enlightened Brazilian anthropologists 
who are the leading the way in rediscovering the great civilizations that no 
one knew existed because one Spanish boat with a few Soldier's floating down 
the Amazon river killed millions with their germs.        The finest 
agricultural soils in the world are the Terra Preta Soils developed by the 
Amazon peoples now gone.      The stone building techniques, engineering and 
great agricultural technology that fed Europe and Napoleon's armies from the 
Inca people are now lost.    The growth methods of those peoples that turned 
the Amazon jungle  into a Garden are lost and being further desecrated by the 
European religion of the marketplace.     The Spaniards didn't just burn the 
books and tear down the government, they deliberately desecrated everything 
that smacked of what they didn't know or were afraid the world might discover 
they didn't know.   The English simply banned the religions and set out to 
steal the children sending them to schools to make them good English Nannies 
and Servants.      

   

  You seem unwilling to admit the immensity of the tragedy that Europe brought 
to over 100 million people who in a hundred years would be down to about six 
million.    All in the name of trade and the marketplace.      Is it any wonder 
that the Indian people of Canada would rather sniff gas and die than cooperate? 
   Is it any wonder that the Indian languages in America call Indian people 
ayvwiyah which means the Real people?      

   

  I believe you are a man of good will.   I do not mean to put this on you but 
you should understand that unless you live there, can speak the languages 
fluently, know the stories and the songs and dance with them, you cannot 
possibly understand.    The same is true of Europe.    

   

  That's why I teach Europeans their own stuff.     I had to learn about them 
or to give into my rage and withdraw.     I'm not the only one to walk into the 
eye of the beast.   My good friend Burl Lane from my reservation was the 
Bassoon section leader in Sir Georg Solty's Chicago Symphony for forty years.   
  He's in the upper 1% of his profession in the U.S.     My high school  friend 
Don Johnson was the CEO of the Modine Corporation one of the Fortune 500 
companies.    My cousin Mickey Mantle played for the Yankees and Gary Brown a 
French Horn player friend in my high school band was a leading anti-war lawyer 
for the JAG corps for the Navy during Vietnam and today has a firm in 
Washington, D.C.      I could go on and on about the people I am proud to come 
from and be a part of.      We all came out of the shacks and shanties of the 
worst Super Fund Toxic waste site in America.    So bad and impossible to clean 
up for the lead and heavy metal pollution that they closed the place down and 
fenced it off last year.     We were all  there when the mines were in full 
bloom.   It actually looks picturesque now that there's no more money to be 
made off of the bodies of Indian children.     But we did not capitulate and 
never gave in!      

   

  You give in too easily.   You would not make a good Indian.     But you are a 
good and civil gentleman and I hope I have not offended you.

   

  REH

   

  From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ed Weick
  Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 5:45 PM
  To: [email protected]
  Subject: [Futurework] Stuckedness

   

  I've recently argued that people, especially the young, in the poorest 
classes cannot easily escape the lot they've been given, even if they aspire to 
a better life.  Much of my professional life has involved working on the 
problems faced by Canada's aboriginal people.  Back in about 1990 I undertook a 
study of communities would be impacted by a uranium mine in the north of one of 
our prairie provinces.  Here's my take on the position of one of those 
communities.

   

  Ed


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  Undoubtedly, the community had valid economic and social reasons for existing 
at one time. During the fur and mission era, it serviced a largely subsistence, 
partly commercial (fur trapping, commercial fishing, casual labor) population 
that was widely dispersed on the land much of the time.

  The descendants of that population were drawn into town by a series of 
government requirements that were imposed mostly during the post WWII era: the 
requirement that kids attend school regularly; that the school be in the 
community; that health and hospital services be provided where people live 
(which was turned around into the requirement that people live where the health 
and hospital services are provided); that people be housed at national and 
provincial standards for Indians, and that community physical and service 
infrastructure exist to support that housing; that people be conveniently 
located so that welfare and other forms of subsidy could be administered to 
them; etc. 

  It has become a symbiotic community: All of the institutions have been 
provided in a single place which in the administrative view is appropriate to 
the population and that allows government institutions to provide their 
services conveniently. The people, having lost their independence need the 
institutions. But the institutions also need the people to justify their 
existence in the community.

  Socially, the population maintains many of the values and attitudes of its 
land based culture. The people continue to try to be hunters, trappers, fishers 
and foragers, though being those things while living in the community full time 
is very difficult. So some of the land-based skills and attitudes have been 
converted to skills that allow survival in town, with foraging for money among 
the various bureaucracies being an especially useful skill. 

  Such foraging makes economic sense, since the community has no industrial 
base. The only real income base, now and in future, is government, supplemented 
by occasional construction, some local business, some fishing, etc.

  Yet the money that the foragers obtain does not always make good sense 
socially. Wives often see one purpose in money - feeding the family - but 
husbands all too often see quite another - having a good time with their 
friends. This often leads to family violence.

  The government institutions which service the community are there not only to 
support and service the population, they are there to change it. They are not 
really support services in the sense of helping people achieve their own 
aspirations, they are coercive agents of social change - social engineers. When 
they put some of the administration of programs into local hands, they 
nevertheless maintain tight control to ensure that it is their objectives and 
not those of the local people that are met.

  The outcome has been a disruption and fragmentation of the community. Many 
people buy into the institutionally driven values, attitudes and actions, and 
the old ways get pushed into the background. The elders remain respected as 
custodians of old memories, but in reality wield little influence. They have 
taken on the roles of cultural icons, not much more.



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