In what sense?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandwichman" <[email protected]> To: "RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION,EDUCATION" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [Futurework] Enough is Enough The question I would have for the cynic is "do you believe in bookkeeping?" On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Ed Weick <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm afraid I'm feeling rather cynical this morning, cynical enough to wonder > how many times I've read stuff like the Enough is Enough document. In fact, > as an aspiring idealist long ago, I'd probably written stuff like that > myself. > > Can we really expect the kinds of things that the academic and other > enoughers are promoting to happen? Not likely. I can't see the chaotic > world we live ever being that way. > > There, I've done it. I'm a cynic. > > Ed > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: D and N > To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION,EDUCATION > Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 5:16 PM > Subject: Re: [Futurework] Enough is Enough > Hi Sandwichman, > > This is a good read. Did anyone else fail to get it? If not for Arthur's > comment, it wouldn't have arrived. Could be our system. > > I've been reading from back to front, because of its length, to see if any > great ideas came up on how to get the powerful to stop influencing > politicians. Going back--by around page 60, I'm not seeing much mention of > how to deal with the ones who are currently in control. Elected officials > are being vaguely discussed, but not the corporate strong arms. Thus far. > ...Working backwards. > > Many ideas about the overall fabric are sound, and it's great to find such a > comprehensive outline. Yet, the wealthiest of the world, because of Wall > Street lax rules and currency markets having made many of them secret > Trillionaires, are not going to be financially pressured to release their > hold on politicians for many years to come, such that the controlling > legislation and legislators will stay firmly in place as the economy > collapses. That this is more than likely a planned collapse by the > puppeteers makes it even more challenging, for even more profit will be made > in a restructuring they once again devise. They own the government, they own > a lot of assets and land again, and they're just not hurting for cash or > power. > > So, I'll keep reading. And I'll think about an apt and contagious name for > the movement, too. > > Natalia > > On 12/1/2010 9:32 AM, Arthur Cordell wrote: > > What has been the reception to this very comprehensive and thoughtful > report and is there any follow up? > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sandwichman > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 1:48 PM > To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION > Subject: [Futurework] Enough is Enough > > Enough is Enough: Ideas for a Sustainable > Economy in a World of Finite Resources > > http://steadystate.org/wp-content/uploads/EnoughIsEnough_FullReport.pdf > > Contents > Forewords > .................................................................................................................. > 6 > Summary.................................................................................................................... > 9 > Part One: Questions of Enough > 1. Introduction > ......................................................................................................... > 20 > 2. How Much is Enough? > ........................................................................................ > 23 > 3. What Sort of Economy Provides Enough? > .......................................................... 33 > Part Two: Strategies of Enough > 4. Enough Throughput: Limiting Resource Use and Waste > Production................... 42 > 5. Enough People: Stabilising > Population................................................................ > 50 > 6. Enough Inequality: Distributing Income and > Wealth............................................ 57 > 7. Enough Debt: Reforming the Monetary > System.................................................. 64 > 8. Enough Poor Indicators: Changing the Way We Measure > Progress................... 73 > 9. Enough Job Losses: Securing > Employment........................................................ 80 > 10. Enough Excess Profits: Rethinking Business and > Production........................... 87 > 11. Enough Unilateralism: Addressing Global > Relationships................................... 95 > 12. Enough Materialism: Changing Consumer > Behaviour..................................... 101 > 13. Enough Silence: Engaging Politicians and the Media > ..................................... 106 > Part Three: Advancing the Economy of Enough > 14. A Blueprint for an Economy Built to Last > ......................................................... 112 > 15. Boldness in Building the Steady State > Economy............................................. 117 > Notes and > References............................................................................................ > 121 > > A foreword by Lorna Arblaster and David Adshead > > Unlimited economic growth is not possible on a finite planet. Despite this, > there is > little discussion of an alternative economic system that can meet our needs > without > growth. The Steady State Economy Conference aimed to promote such > discussion. > In particular it aimed to identify practical policy proposals to bring about > change > towards a steady state economy in the UK. > > The conference took place on 19th June 2010. Three years earlier to the day, > we > collaborated with Claire Bastin to host the first Café Economique in a > suburb of > Leeds. Inspired by the concept of “economic justice for all” (and taking > that phrase > as the name of our organisation), we set out to develop a forum where > members of > the public could discuss socio-economic problems and consider innovative > solutions. > At the first Café Economique, Claire led a discussion on the topic of > “Economics in a > Full World”. The suggested background reading for the discussion was a paper > of > the same title, written by economist Herman Daly and published in Scientific > American. > > From this simple beginning, the number of people attending the monthly Café > Economique events has grown steadily, requiring us to move to larger venues. > How > have we achieved this continuing and increasing interest? We meet locally, > we > invite a speaker to inform the discussion, we use a format that encourages > attendee > participation, and we address a wide range of socio-economic issues. > In November 2009, Dan O’Neill, the European Director of the Center for the > Advancement of the Steady State Economy (CASSE), spoke at the Café > Economique. We took great interest in Dan’s ideas and the discussion that > they > generated, and together we recognised an opportunity to develop the concepts > further. The conference and this report are the result of this collaboration > between > Economic Justice for All and CASSE. > > The report, with its extensive set of references, is an excellent primer for > anyone > interested in the economics of sustainability. It also provides a valuable > information > resource for “economic discussion and action” groups, and we hope that it > will lead > to the creation of more such groups, in the UK and around the world. > Increasing awareness of the pressures on our fragile planet obliges us to > rethink > urgently how we organise our economic and social systems — a complex and > challenging task. This report provides an overview of areas where change is > needed, specific proposals for change, and questions for further discussion. > > A small local group with few resources, Economic Justice for All dared, with > CASSE, > to organise the Steady State Economy Conference. We hope that you will dare > to > take forward the ideas in this report, whoever and wherever you are. > > > -- > Sandwichman > > _______________________________________________ > Futurework mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > ________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Futurework mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > _______________________________________________ > Futurework mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > -- Sandwichman _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [email protected] https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework
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