The Article said that the Soviet Union is exporting abiotic oil.
REH From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sandwichman Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:01 AM To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION Subject: Re: [Futurework] biotic vs. abiotic oil theories My understanding of "peak oil," though is that it is not based specifically on a biotic or abiotic theory of hydrocarbons but on the empirical data of petroleum exploration, discovery and exploitation. It's not even about how much petroleum there ultimately is in the world, only about how much is likely to be found and developed. As I understand it, peak oil is concerned mainly with conventional petroleum sources. There is another argument, called "peak energy" which also looks at the energy return on energy invested. If it takes 101 BTUs of energy to find, extract, refine and deliver 100 BTUS of abiotic oil it doesn't really matter how much of the stuff there is On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:35 PM, Ray Harrell <[email protected]> wrote: Yes Gold was prophetic about this. I was surprised about the work in Russia. I only knew what Gold said at the time. He found oil but there was no monetary reason not to continue what we had at the time. There is a tremendous investment in the infrastructure for the fossil fuel machine. It's happened before. Dupont got all hemp banned as Marijuana when they were bringing out their oil based cloth. The hemp based cloth being developed at the time was competitive with Rayon but government stopped it by equating all hemp with pot. Today, in the white world there is a small hemp industry that is allowed but if an Indian grows non-marijuana hemp on a reservation the FBI will still burn the fields. This material from the old Soviet Union is new to me. I had heard from soldiers in Vietnam about the field at Haiphong and they claimed that was the real reason for the war at all. I was not aware that the field was abiotic. That was totally new to me. But I'm not surprised. I always thought that Gold was probably right. It just made sense considering the problems of burying all of that plant and animal matter given the amount of time. REH -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Spencer Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 9:58 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Futurework] Re: biotic vs. abiotic oil theories Natalia wrote: > Confessions of an "ex" Peak Oil Believer > [snip] You must have missed the controversy surrounding Thomas Gold in the last couple of decade before his death in 2004. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Gold - Mike -- Michael Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada .~. /V\ [email protected] /( )\ http://home.tallships.ca/mspencer/ ^^-^^ _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [email protected] https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [email protected] https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework -- Sandwichman
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