Across the different periods it was analyzed, they were discussing the
point of maximum production rate, and working with fossil fuel
exploration and extraction data. Peak Oil was coined to fabricate
scarcity to the advantage of very few because the data out of the USSR
was made known, but suppressed by oil corp concerns. If they factor in
abiotic reserves, then we're looking at possibly 500 years down the
road, or whatever.
Your second point I addressed in a previous post today. Over all, this
type of exploration and extraction seems to be far better for the
environment because of high success rate in drilling hits and the far
greater amount of oil that can be extracted per well (which can be, as
Darryl is suggesting, but not exactly certain, split into various caps
for better control of flow.)
I doubt the Russians would have become so heavily involved if it were
much more costly, nor would Exxon have wanted controlling interests of
Yukos.
Aside from the above, the lie is way bigger than most were aware. Its
public unveiling will hopefully weaken not only peak oil posturing,
scarcity wars and politics, but should loosen up future energy
investment funds for cleaner, sustainable projects.
Natalia
On 9/28/2011 9:01 PM, Sandwichman wrote:
My understanding of "peak oil," though is that it is not based
specifically on a biotic or abiotic theory of hydrocarbons but on the
empirical data of petroleum exploration, discovery and exploitation.
It's not even about how much petroleum there ultimately is in the
world, only about how much is likely to be found and developed.
As I understand it, peak oil is concerned mainly with conventional
petroleum sources. There is another argument, called "peak energy"
which also looks at the energy return on energy invested. If it takes
101 BTUs of energy to find, extract, refine and deliver 100 BTUS of
abiotic oil it doesn't really matter how much of the stuff there is
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:35 PM, Ray Harrell <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Yes Gold was prophetic about this. I was surprised about the work in
Russia. I only knew what Gold said at the time. He found oil but
there was
no monetary reason not to continue what we had at the time. There
is a
tremendous investment in the infrastructure for the fossil fuel
machine.
It's happened before. Dupont got all hemp banned as Marijuana
when they
were bringing out their oil based cloth. The hemp based cloth being
developed at the time was competitive with Rayon but government
stopped it
by equating all hemp with pot. Today, in the white world there
is a small
hemp industry that is allowed but if an Indian grows non-marijuana
hemp on a
reservation the FBI will still burn the fields.
This material from the old Soviet Union is new to me. I had
heard from
soldiers in Vietnam about the field at Haiphong and they claimed
that was
the real reason for the war at all. I was not aware that the
field was
abiotic. That was totally new to me.
But I'm not surprised. I always thought that Gold was probably
right. It
just made sense considering the problems of burying all of that
plant and
animal matter given the amount of time.
REH
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> Confessions of an "ex" Peak Oil Believer
> [snip]
You must have missed the controversy surrounding Thomas Gold in
the last couple of decade before his death in 2004.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Gold
- Mike
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