Barry,

At 16:43 27/10/2011, you wrote:
Ray,

I don't think it's that we frittered your comments so much as we don't see what to do about it. But, this is an old problem - I'm told that at one point, there were more British Army soldiers fighting the Luddites than were fighting against Napoleon. Mechanization and it's associated problems have been around for a while!

The immediate problem is that there are no new jobs being created (possibly because, as Keith is fond of pointing out, there are no truly new inventions)

Just to clarify, I've never said there are no truly new inventions, but only of significant new consumer goods (that is, expensive originally but capable of being highly desired by the masses and subsequently mass produced). Otherwise, there's more innovation than ever before (infrastructure, producer goods, specialized equipment, military technology, etc).

and no significant wars (also becoming increasingly mechanized) or penal colonies (Australia, the United States, etc., during colonial times) that can absorb excess people. This, coupled with the fact that the bankers and a few others have gained almost total control over our governments and other institutions, bodes poorly for the near-term future.

At the end of the day, governments will always have control over banks because there has to be universal laws that everyone obeys or else there's chaos. A good example of this occurred in the early hours of this morning (2.30am) at the Eurozone summit in Brussels when the 17 Heads of State called the bankers into the room and insisted that they took a 50% haircut of their greek bonds. The banks had been resisting for a long time (even when only 20% haircuts was talked about). The politicians threatened the banks that if they didn't accept then Greece would be allowed to default. Several banks would then have gone to the wall straightaway.

Keith


Barry


---- Ray Harrell <[email protected]> wrote:

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Just like we pointed out on this list ten years ago and then frittered it
away as mere speculation.   It happened first in the Arts after 1929 when
there was a 98% decline in live performance and an equilibrium depression
that continued down to the present.   Everyone thought I was paranoid at
worst and probably just a loser complaining about what couldn't be changed.
Now that world is on everyone's doorstep.



REH
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