Sometimes it works and sometimes the outcome is genocide. arthur
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of de Bivort Lawrence Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 6:39 PM To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION Subject: Re: [Futurework] What Does Our Reaction To Black Bloc Tactics Say About Us? | NEWS JUNKIE POST Pete, Barry, Daryl and everyone, Any thoughts on Gene Sharp's concepts of non-violent resistance to despots? They have received much interest and on-the-ground success in the Arab Springs. http://www.aeinstein.org/ Cheers, Lawry On Feb 16, 2012, at 4:05 PM, pete wrote: > On Thu, 16 Feb 2012, D & N wrote: > >> OK Pete. >> >> So, Back to the 'rule of law'. > > No, back to constructive rather than confrontational behaviour. > Compare positive to negative press for the "black bloc" vs Occupy. > I've always suspected the back bloc is heavily salted with agents > provocateur for the specific purpose of engendering negative > press to taint the message of any movement in which they are active. > >> >> How would you propose to educate or otherwise enlighten these >> 'oppressed' to better tactics. Voting? Vote for which of the 1% sitting >> on any of the parties in the running? > > That's inane. I was concise in my prescription. There's plenty of > material online about the Yes Men. > > -Pete > > >> How does one rally those who have >> been dumped upon (ie ghettoized) or otherwise finding themselves in such >> predicaments that they cannot see a way to get out and the frustration >> builds to the point of anger because there may be lots of people >> listening but very few are being helpful - just critical. >> >> Would you place suicide bombers in the same category? >> >> Granted lashing out at the neighbourhood is certainly self-defeating but >> what other avenues are open to them? They cannot get close enough to >> those who have caused the problem to attack them. And that appears to be >> the key. If you can't poke the problem in the eye, how can you remove >> the thorn? >> >> D. >> >> >> On 16/02/2012 1:05 PM, pete wrote: >>> On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 [email protected] wrote: >>> >>>> Parts of this post echoes sentiments and ideas expressed by others on >>>> the list. >>>> >>>> Barry >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://newsjunkiepost.com/2012/02/15/what-does-our-reaction-to-black-bloc-ta ctics-say-about-us/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> By Liam Fox >>>> NEWS JUNKIE POST >>>> >>>> Feb 15, 2012 at 7:02 am >>>> What Does Our Reaction To Black Bloc Tactics Say About Us? >>>> >>> [...] >>>> If there is a criticism of Black Bloc tactics, perhaps it should be >>>> that they have been insufficient to stop the ongoing corporate and >>>> state violence. What good is breaking a window, or spray-painting a >>>> wall, or rolling a dumpster into the street and setting it on fire, if >>>> nothing comes of it but negative press? >>> A lame defense of unacceptable behaviour, which only here touches >>> on the most important reason that these knuckle draggers need to be >>> censured. Negative press is not a minor criticism, it is central >>> to the indictment of the folly of this behaviour. >>> >>>> All the good intentions, the >>>> important message, and the righteous cause, are useless without a >>>> medium to communicate them to the masses. Independent and social >>>> media have grown but they are nothing compared to corporate media. >>>> What reach the new media does have, and the growth it has experienced, >>>> is being actively challenged by legislation designed to allow the >>>> state to censor, control, and even eliminate it. Symbolic action >>>> alone is not getting the job done, and it faces even more barriers to >>>> its efficacy in the future. >>>> >>> [...] >>>> We need to stop offering harsh judgment of Black Bloc tactics. It >>>> does not speak well of our values. Those tactics, given the needed >>>> amount of support, can move beyond attempts to get our attention and >>>> potentially bring an end to the violence being perpetrated against >>>> humanity by the wealthy, the corporations they own, and the States >>>> they control. In order to do this we need to join the struggle, not >>>> allow our cowardice to condemn it. There is right and there is wrong, >>>> and fighting to stop something that you know is wrong, is right. >>> Rubbish. If only one in a hundred of the self-absorbed short sighted >>> bozos involved in "black bloc" behaviours were to have the courage >>> and imagination to channel their outrage into tactics along the lines >>> of the Yes Men, and the other 99 just stay home, the net result would >>> be vastly more effective. >>> >>> -Pete >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Futurework mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Futurework mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Futurework mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [email protected] https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [email protected] https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework
