Reminds me of the sixties that gave us the eighties. REH
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Arthur Cordell Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 6:25 PM To: 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION' Subject: Re: [Futurework] What Does Our Reaction To Black Bloc Tactics Say About Us? | NEWS JUNKIE POST First I have heard of the Yes Men. Interesting. I don't go along with the black bloc nor do I go along with the conventional thinking of the power structure. And with certainty I can say that no one but no one knows how these competing forces will play out. Arthur -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of pete Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 5:06 PM To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION Subject: Re: [Futurework] What Does Our Reaction To Black Bloc Tactics Say About Us? | NEWS JUNKIE POST On Thu, 16 Feb 2012, D & N wrote: > OK Pete. > > So, Back to the 'rule of law'. No, back to constructive rather than confrontational behaviour. Compare positive to negative press for the "black bloc" vs Occupy. I've always suspected the back bloc is heavily salted with agents provocateur for the specific purpose of engendering negative press to taint the message of any movement in which they are active. > > How would you propose to educate or otherwise enlighten these > 'oppressed' to better tactics. Voting? Vote for which of the 1% > sitting on any of the parties in the running? That's inane. I was concise in my prescription. There's plenty of material online about the Yes Men. -Pete > How does one rally those who have > been dumped upon (ie ghettoized) or otherwise finding themselves in > such predicaments that they cannot see a way to get out and the > frustration builds to the point of anger because there may be lots of > people listening but very few are being helpful - just critical. > > Would you place suicide bombers in the same category? > > Granted lashing out at the neighbourhood is certainly self-defeating > but what other avenues are open to them? They cannot get close enough > to those who have caused the problem to attack them. And that appears > to be the key. If you can't poke the problem in the eye, how can you > remove the thorn? > > D. > > > On 16/02/2012 1:05 PM, pete wrote: > > On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 [email protected] wrote: > > > >> Parts of this post echoes sentiments and ideas expressed by others > >> on the list. > >> > >> Barry > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> http://newsjunkiepost.com/2012/02/15/what-does-our-reaction-to-black-bloc-ta ctics-say-about-us/ > >> > >> > >> > >> By Liam Fox > >> NEWS JUNKIE POST > >> > >> Feb 15, 2012 at 7:02 am > >> What Does Our Reaction To Black Bloc Tactics Say About Us? > >> > > [...] > >> If there is a criticism of Black Bloc tactics, perhaps it should be > >> that they have been insufficient to stop the ongoing corporate and > >> state violence. What good is breaking a window, or spray-painting > >> a wall, or rolling a dumpster into the street and setting it on > >> fire, if nothing comes of it but negative press? > > A lame defense of unacceptable behaviour, which only here touches on > > the most important reason that these knuckle draggers need to be > > censured. Negative press is not a minor criticism, it is central to > > the indictment of the folly of this behaviour. > > > >> All the good intentions, the > >> important message, and the righteous cause, are useless without a > >> medium to communicate them to the masses. Independent and social > >> media have grown but they are nothing compared to corporate media. > >> What reach the new media does have, and the growth it has > >> experienced, is being actively challenged by legislation designed > >> to allow the state to censor, control, and even eliminate it. > >> Symbolic action alone is not getting the job done, and it faces > >> even more barriers to its efficacy in the future. > >> > > [...] > >> We need to stop offering harsh judgment of Black Bloc tactics. It > >> does not speak well of our values. Those tactics, given the needed > >> amount of support, can move beyond attempts to get our attention > >> and potentially bring an end to the violence being perpetrated > >> against humanity by the wealthy, the corporations they own, and the > >> States they control. In order to do this we need to join the > >> struggle, not allow our cowardice to condemn it. There is right and > >> there is wrong, and fighting to stop something that you know is wrong, is right. > > Rubbish. If only one in a hundred of the self-absorbed short sighted > > bozos involved in "black bloc" behaviours were to have the courage > > and imagination to channel their outrage into tactics along the > > lines of the Yes Men, and the other 99 just stay home, the net > > result would be vastly more effective. > > > > -Pete > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Futurework mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > > _______________________________________________ > Futurework mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [email protected] https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [email protected] https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework ----- No virus found in this message. 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