That's odd. I had thought I first learned about them here... -Pete
On Thu, 16 Feb 2012, Arthur Cordell wrote: > First I have heard of the Yes Men. Interesting. > > I don't go along with the black bloc nor do I go along with the conventional > thinking of the power structure. > > And with certainty I can say that no one but no one knows how these > competing forces will play out. > > Arthur > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of pete > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 5:06 PM > To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION > Subject: Re: [Futurework] What Does Our Reaction To Black Bloc Tactics Say > About Us? | NEWS JUNKIE POST > > On Thu, 16 Feb 2012, D & N wrote: > > > OK Pete. > > > > So, Back to the 'rule of law'. > > No, back to constructive rather than confrontational behaviour. > Compare positive to negative press for the "black bloc" vs Occupy. > I've always suspected the back bloc is heavily salted with agents > provocateur for the specific purpose of engendering negative > press to taint the message of any movement in which they are active. > > > > > How would you propose to educate or otherwise enlighten these > > 'oppressed' to better tactics. Voting? Vote for which of the 1% sitting > > on any of the parties in the running? > > That's inane. I was concise in my prescription. There's plenty of > material online about the Yes Men. > > -Pete > > > > How does one rally those who have > > been dumped upon (ie ghettoized) or otherwise finding themselves in such > > predicaments that they cannot see a way to get out and the frustration > > builds to the point of anger because there may be lots of people > > listening but very few are being helpful - just critical. > > > > Would you place suicide bombers in the same category? > > > > Granted lashing out at the neighbourhood is certainly self-defeating but > > what other avenues are open to them? They cannot get close enough to > > those who have caused the problem to attack them. And that appears to be > > the key. If you can't poke the problem in the eye, how can you remove > > the thorn? > > > > D. > > > > > > On 16/02/2012 1:05 PM, pete wrote: > > > On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 [email protected] wrote: > > > > > >> Parts of this post echoes sentiments and ideas expressed by others on > > >> the list. > > >> > > >> Barry > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > http://newsjunkiepost.com/2012/02/15/what-does-our-reaction-to-black-bloc-ta > ctics-say-about-us/ > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> By Liam Fox > > >> NEWS JUNKIE POST > > >> > > >> Feb 15, 2012 at 7:02 am > > >> What Does Our Reaction To Black Bloc Tactics Say About Us? > > >> > > > [...] > > >> If there is a criticism of Black Bloc tactics, perhaps it should be > > >> that they have been insufficient to stop the ongoing corporate and > > >> state violence. What good is breaking a window, or spray-painting a > > >> wall, or rolling a dumpster into the street and setting it on fire, if > > >> nothing comes of it but negative press? > > > A lame defense of unacceptable behaviour, which only here touches > > > on the most important reason that these knuckle draggers need to be > > > censured. Negative press is not a minor criticism, it is central > > > to the indictment of the folly of this behaviour. > > > > > >> All the good intentions, the > > >> important message, and the righteous cause, are useless without a > > >> medium to communicate them to the masses. Independent and social > > >> media have grown but they are nothing compared to corporate media. > > >> What reach the new media does have, and the growth it has experienced, > > >> is being actively challenged by legislation designed to allow the > > >> state to censor, control, and even eliminate it. Symbolic action > > >> alone is not getting the job done, and it faces even more barriers to > > >> its efficacy in the future. > > >> > > > [...] > > >> We need to stop offering harsh judgment of Black Bloc tactics. It > > >> does not speak well of our values. Those tactics, given the needed > > >> amount of support, can move beyond attempts to get our attention and > > >> potentially bring an end to the violence being perpetrated against > > >> humanity by the wealthy, the corporations they own, and the States > > >> they control. In order to do this we need to join the struggle, not > > >> allow our cowardice to condemn it. There is right and there is wrong, > > >> and fighting to stop something that you know is wrong, is right. > > > Rubbish. If only one in a hundred of the self-absorbed short sighted > > > bozos involved in "black bloc" behaviours were to have the courage > > > and imagination to channel their outrage into tactics along the lines > > > of the Yes Men, and the other 99 just stay home, the net result would > > > be vastly more effective. > > > > > > -Pete > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Futurework mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Futurework mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Futurework mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > _______________________________________________ > Futurework mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [email protected] https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework
