Like I've said to you and Arthur before. It all depends on how you define it. For Arthur it was taking out the Jews, for you it was taking out the women. For me with both you and Arthur it is taking out the culture sector of the nation to achieve factory employment or your version of full employment because in that version, Art work isn't valued work at all. It seems to me that you are both tied to, what Donald Schön called a Positivist Technical Rational model of professional hierarchy. It doesn't work but makes the whole world play your game or starve.
REH From: Keith Hudson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 2:23 AM To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION; Ray Harrell Subject: Re: [Futurework] Hey, you don't have to marry the guy! At 03:38 19/02/2012, REH wrote: Not for 98 graduate artists out of 100. Not for 90 members of Indian Reservations out of 100. Remember that Germany had full employment after 1939. No, it didn't. For the adult womenfolk it was almost exclusively kinder, kuche, kirche . In contrast, many millions in England volunteered to work in the munitions factories; on the land (Women's Land Army); down the mines; temporary (unqualified) civil servants, nurses and teachers; revival (for young women) of domestic service; army service (all three armed services plus anti-aircraft barrage balloon and gun sites), etc. Keith It depends upon how one feels about sacrificing others for your own benefit. You know, Arthur, they are beginning now to work that same "magic" on religious music. If they are successful your grandchildren will know as little about their glorious musical and artistic culture as my relatives know about ours. All with the magic of the marketplace. Not if I have anything to say about it. REH From: [email protected] [ mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ] On Behalf Of Arthur Cordell Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 10:01 PM To: 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION' Subject: Re: [Futurework] Hey, you don't have to marry the guy! May not work well, but the economy delivers. Not as well as it could nor as well as it should. But it does deliver. From: [email protected] [ mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ] On Behalf Of Ray Harrell Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 7:00 PM To: 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION' Subject: Re: [Futurework] Hey, you don't have to marry the guy! Does it work? I don't see much working since 1883. REH From: [email protected] [ mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ] On Behalf Of Arthur Cordell Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 4:21 PM To: 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION' Subject: Re: [Futurework] Hey, you don't have to marry the guy! Ray, I became an economist because I wanted to know how the system works. Economics brought me part of the way. arthur From: [email protected] [ mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ] On Behalf Of Ray Harrell Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 3:46 PM To: 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION' Subject: Re: [Futurework] Hey, you don't have to marry the guy! Why - go back to school - and develop the instrument that you have left and gave up. That's what. Otherwise we have no common ground upon which to build our conversation except as Indians.:>)) I went back and studied economics and what I found was superstition and the kind of orthodoxy I get talking to a Jesuit. Not much talking going on. I came here. Take up your brush and get to work. You have a lot to make up for. REH From: [email protected] [ mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ] On Behalf Of Ed Weick Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 2:39 PM To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION Subject: Re: [Futurework] Hey, you don't have to marry the guy! Economists have a sense of the arts, Ray, even if not a very good one. When I was a teenager back in the ice age, I dropped out of highschool to become the world's greatest artist. I even spent a year at an art school where I learned that my talent was minor compared to that of some of my classmates. What to do about it? Why go back to school and become an economist. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Harrell <mailto:[email protected]> To: 'Keith Hudson' <mailto:[email protected]> ; 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION,EDUCATION' <mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [Futurework] Hey, you don't have to marry the guy! What is the world coming to? Music and Art education as a constitutional right? Their saying that this is the system that works better than all others at bringing children of poverty out of poverty and developing their minds. Sounds like Walter Benjamin and the Vienna Circle before Hitler destroyed them. But the most interesting comment in this article was hidden. The Founder of the system was an .............................................economist!!!! Good heavens! An economist who made the Arts work in many different governments? Are there different breeds of economists? Did we only get the tone deaf ones here? How come? REH http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/18/arts/music/venezuelans-criticize-hugo-chav ezs-support-of-el-sistema.html?_r=1 <http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/18/arts/music/venezuelans-criticize-hugo-cha vezs-support-of-el-sistema.html?_r=1&hp> &hp From: [email protected] [ mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ] On Behalf Of Keith Hudson Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 9:32 AM To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION Subject: Re: [Futurework] Hey, you don't have to marry the guy! At 12:11 18/02/2012, Ed wrote: Things sure ain't like they used to was... From the NYTimes: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/18/us/for-women-under-30-most-births-occur-ou tside-marriage.html?pagewanted=1 <http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/18/us/for-women-under-30-most-births-occur-o utside-marriage.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&hp> &_r=1&hp A natural complement to this is another article on Reuters about jobs: http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/2012/02/16/what-job-creation-looks-like -outside-washington/ Keith Keith Hudson, Saltford, England http://allisstatus.wordpress.com <http://allisstatus.wordpress.com/> No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4815 - Release Date: 02/17/12 _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [email protected] https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4817 - Release Date: 02/18/12 No virus found in this message. 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