Will they be able to pay their loans back? Is a very real concern when
seeking a higher ed. now as the law as instated in the late 80's or
early 90's will not allow bankruptcy for student loans so the student
without a job is a soon to be workhouse employee who will receive wages
too low to even live on let alone be able to repay any debt for the
education.
Yea for private prison (debtors prison). Capture that slave workforce
Harper.
D.
On 28/04/2012 9:12 AM, michael gurstein wrote:
Well said.
M
-----Original Message-----
*From:* [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ed Weick
*Sent:* Saturday, April 28, 2012 9:10 AM
*To:* RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION,EDUCATION
*Subject:* Re: [Futurework] What makes Quebec students 'distinct'?
Michael's observations and the Winnipeg Free Press
notwithstanding, I still think that being a student these days
leaves one with rather limited choices about the future. Getting
a good professional job now requires a graduate degree and there
are plenty of people out there with graduate degrees. As well,
there really aren't that many good professional jobs and it looks
as though there will be fewer in future. The public sector used
to be a good choice for many university graduates -- a good place
to start and work your way up. Now it's the scene of extensive
cut-backs. Moreover, there aren't the plethora of summer jobs out
there anymore, so students have to borrow to pay there way
through. It's now very different from back in the stone age when
I was a student. I was able to earn enough during the summer to
pay my way through the following year. Most of my friends could too.
So, no matter how the students who are marching in Quebec look at
themselves, I don't think it's all that wrong to see them reacting
out of a deep anxiety. Will they be able to get good jobs when
they graduate? Will they be able to pay their loans back? And
yes, it's correct to see them as part of the Occupy movement, but
then what drives the Occupy movement if not a deep anxiety about
the very uncertain future?
Ed
----- Original Message -----
*From:* michael gurstein <mailto:[email protected]>
*To:* 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION,EDUCATION'
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Saturday, April 28, 2012 10:09 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Futurework] What makes Quebec students 'distinct'?
This interprestation flies in the face of the students' own
interpretation of why they are demonstrating (as in the
article I originally noted), the global interpretation of why
they are demonstrating as in
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/quebec-student-fight-goes-international-how-a-battle-over-1625-got-noticed-149349285.html
and
simple logic, since the Quebec students who are demonstrating
pay the lowest tuition in Canada (and one of the lowest
tuitions in the OECD countries where tuition is paid) and the
students in the rest of Canada are not demonstrating.
For better (or worse) the Quebec students seem to have decided
that education should be treated as a public good rather than
a private one as the neo-libs and the economics profession
have been hammering away for a couple of generations and are
in this way making connections with the Occupy Movement and
with the broader energies towards redefining political and
social directions.
M
-----Original Message-----
*From:* [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf
Of *Arthur Cordell
*Sent:* Friday, April 27, 2012 6:50 PM
*To:* 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION,EDUCATION'
*Subject:* Re: [Futurework] What makes Quebec students
'distinct'?
This makes sense.
*From:*[email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf
Of *Ed Weick
*Sent:* Friday, April 27, 2012 4:28 PM
*To:* RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION
*Subject:* Re: [Futurework] What makes Quebec students
'distinct'?
I suspect that what is happening in Quebec will soon
happen in the rest of Canada and perhaps in the US as
well. In a previous posting, I suggested that
universities have become "holding tanks" for young people
who probably couldn't find the kind of work they're after
if they were out in the labour force and who therefore see
universities not only as a safe haven but as a place in
which they can learn something that may be useful later
on. However, as students, they have to pay tuition and
room and board, and much of the money that keeps them
going is borrowed. Given the uncertainties that will beset
them when they emerge from the hallowed halls, they want
to pay and borrow as little as possible. Many, reading
the world that is out there, may have reached the point of
being very uncertain about being able to repay their debts
when they graduate, so they march in an effort to keep
their costs down.
Universities, on the other hand, are expensive to
operate. One suggestion aired on TVO's Agenda a couple of
nights ago was that universities are too diverse in what
they teach. They offer far too many subjects. Perhaps
they could cut costs by specializing much more -- e.g. in
a given geographic area, University A could specialize in
law, University B in health sciences, and University C in
the arts, social sciences and humanities. Would this
work? Perhaps though perhaps not. The largest component
of university costs by far is professorial salaries.
You'd still have to pay these. And you might miss the
cost advantages of having all of your infrastructure in
one place.
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Harrell" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
To: "'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION,EDUCATION'"
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Futurework] What makes Quebec students
'distinct'?
> PS. Canada really is becoming more Republican in the
American sense. That
> means you will have poorer health and the magnificent
achievement of the
> Canada Council on the Arts will disappear except for the
very wealthy as it
> has here. The battle is lost here but is raging full
force in England and
> in the old Iron Curtain countries. The virus is now in
Canada as well.
> Wealth as Aristocracy or wealth as private wealth. If I
had to choose
> either I would choose aristocracy. At least they are a
part of the
> government and have the paternalistic ideal of social
responsibility for
> their serfs. That's why we had so many educated and
culturally
> sophisticated immigrants in the 19th century. Even the
house slave in New
> Orleans were treated better than today's non-wealthy
youths. Rent or own?
> Which do you like? Personally what I like is
irrelevant. We lost the
> war. But for the record I think both choices suck!
>
> REH
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
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> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 10:02 AM
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> [email protected]
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> Subject: [Futurework] What makes Quebec students 'distinct'?
>
>
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2012/04/26/f-quebec-students-tu
> ition-debate.html?cmp=rss
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