Osiyo Arthr You sound like Mike's description of the old Canada. "Canada was built on dialogue--between indigenous peoples and settlers, between French and English, between East and West."
I like that. One note about my own perspective is that coming to the Army and to NYCity was liberating because both my English and my Cherokee contained no vulgar form. Remember the whole Italian language is the vulgar form of Latin and it was the artists (Dante) who made modern Italian acceptable to everyone except the Catholic Church. But to my family and in the Cherokee language it's not the same issue. Consider Cherokee is descriptive rather than expletive i.e. saying Uckstaha or "dark smelly warm flexible stuff flowing from one's backside" is not the same as the expletive in English or French or German. There is a little more objective distance in the European languages. It doesn't smell bad when you say it or make you fear soap in the mouth. Discovering that third form in English and the European languages opened all kinds of possibilities for expression. Of course exercising it was sort of like coming home and smoking cigarettes in my mother's house or going out for a drink in her community. Such action was bound to get me sent back to New York until I learned better about rudeness and understood personal domains. Even the Dutch are getting the point as they make it impossible for rude foreigners to buy Marijuana in the cafes anymore. When I acted like that in my mother's house I was just another rude foreigner:>)) REH PS it still seems to be about "Domains" and the acceptability of aggression. Sort of like playing Schubert in a Russian style or like singing English Church music as if it were the Verdi Requiem. Rude and worse. Canada was built on dialogue--between indigenous peoples and settlers, between French and English, between East and West. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Arthur Cordell Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 1:18 PM To: 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION' Subject: Re: [Futurework] Climate advisers use dying days to tell firms, government to pull up their socks For dialogue and for listening to the other it seems that vulgar acts as a barrier. So I favour either common or formal in dialogue and getting to understand the views and values of the other. arthr -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Harrell Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 1:43 AM To: 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION' Subject: Re: [Futurework] Climate advisers use dying days to tell firms, government to pull up their socks Three kinds of speech in playwriting and poetry. Formal, Common and Vulgar. Vulgar often carries the direct meaning while formal carries the social agenda. Calling them a gang is common at least and maybe vulgar although it's very mild vulgar. However it does tie them to some rather famous vulgar boys. The question could be asked whether genuine examination is possible using Formal speech in these days. New Yorkers tend to favor the vulgar. I grew up with the formal. Both the Army and New York City was a bright flash of truth and a breath of honesty. Still vulgar that is too fresh usually has a band odor. It needs seasoning and exceptional artistry to work. I would tend to call the rightwing "warmongers" since the rattle the sabers constantly. Calling them a gang reduces them to common criminals which they may be as well. But listen to Romney and his clique and you hear that the Soviet Union is the greatest current threat to peace. Yes he said "Soviet Union." REH -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Arthur Cordell Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 9:54 PM To: 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION' Subject: Re: [Futurework] Climate advisers use dying days to tell firms, government to pull up their socks Meaning? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Harrell Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 6:33 PM To: 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION' Subject: Re: [Futurework] Climate advisers use dying days to tell firms, government to pull up their socks Form or content Arthur? REH -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Arthur Cordell Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 2:05 PM To: 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION' Subject: Re: [Futurework] Climate advisers use dying days to tell firms, government to pull up their socks Interesting that during the sponsorship scandal there was no talk about Chretien and his gang. And that was a way to buy power and influence in Quebec. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of michael gurstein Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 12:33 PM To: 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION' Subject: Re: [Futurework] Climate advisers use dying days to tell firms, government to pull up their socks Hmmm... You call it civil discourse, I call it voter suppression or worse... More outrageous and very likely illegal behaviour from Harper and his gang http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/jim-harris/robocalls-scandal_b_1305397.html M -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Arthur Cordell Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 8:40 AM To: 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION,EDUCATION' Subject: Re: [Futurework] Climate advisers use dying days to tell firms,government to pull up their socks The only gang I seem to see is the gang that has lost its taste for civil discourse. And so, it seems, has lost its way. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of michael gurstein Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 10:55 AM To: 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION' Subject: Re: [Futurework] Climate advisers use dying days to tell firms, government to pull up their socks The activities or interests of an individual/incumbent surely shouldn't be the issue except for the organized thuggery of Harper and his gang. Another example among many being the sad (and extremely embarrassing for Canada) history of The Centre for Rights and Democracy, neither of which Harper and his gang have much interest or respect for... http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CF8QFjAF&; url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thestar.com%2Fopinion%2Feditorials%2Farticle%2F1157635- -by-shutting-down-rights-democracy-stephen-harper-s-government-is-being-mean -minded-and-hurting-our-image-abroad&ei=rLKaT9biJtHXiQK0vLzpDg&usg=AFQjCNEvW Wlk_7rTkfJaDWonyg1IZWnR0Q&sig2=DiS6_kYIitD4cTBwlVhz3Q M -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Arthur Cordell Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 7:42 AM To: 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION,EDUCATION' Subject: Re: [Futurework] Climate advisers use dying days to tell firms,government to pull up their socks Note that the president of the National Round Table on the Environment and the Economy David McLaughlin is quite committed to global warming. He is a strong proponent of cap and trade. Maybe he can enter that part of the brokerage business after NRTEE. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of michael gurstein Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 10:02 AM To: 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION' Subject: [Futurework] Climate advisers use dying days to tell firms, government to pull up their socks http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/government-and-business-need-to-mana ge-risks-of- climate-change-better-report-149210895.html More thuggery/information suppression from the Harper gang in Ottawa. 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