At 09:37 06-08-2012 -0400, Ed Weick wrote:
>Viggo Andersen:  
>
>And then the key gets stuck for me: "It's not to Westernize the Middle
>East and make it more democratic." Because while Israel of course is a
>democracy it's at its core not Western, and it can't be, because
>Judaism is Middle-East, it's not Western.
>
>Me (Ed):
>
>I don't agree.  While Israel has ancient roots in the Middle East (like 
>Christianity does) it is a western implant in the region.  

And I disagree, it's a democratic implant and even this only to an
extent. My problem with the matter is because of personal experiences
that go back to 1966. Otherwise I would have had no interest in it. I 
was young and ignorant back then, I took for granted that Israel was 
a democracy and a society like my own. Boy, was I wrong! It never 
even occurred to me that there was no such thing as a civil wedding
ceremony possible in Israel. I didn't know it until late 2009!
And to me, no way is a country Western, when it forces its citizens 
to get their civil wedding ceremonies outside of their own country. 
I don't know that there is any such Western country. Which one would
that be? Israel as the exception? Why? 

>Some half dozen years ago, I put together some notes on the creation and 
>status of Israel for an Ottawa Dissenters meeting.  Here is an excerpt from 
>them:
>
>To understand what is underway in the Middle East right now, one has to go 
>back into history and recognize that Israel has been the Jewish Holy Land and 
>Promised Land for some 3,000 years. One also has to consider the Islamic 
>Ottoman or Turkish Empire, which extended from the Anatolian peninsula (Spain, 
>mainly) through the Middle East, parts of North Africa and into much of South 
>Eastern Europe all the way to the Caucuses. While already in long decline, it 
>finally collapsed at the end of WWI and because as part of the Central Powers 
>during the war it was divided among the victorious Allied Powers, with Britain 
>getting what was known as the Palestine Mandate, which territorially included 
>modern Israel, Jordan, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.
>
>Thus the Ottoman Empire’s decline and fall enabled the non-Islamic west to 
>divide it up and impose its will on its peoples. One has to understand the 
>frustration and resentment that arose out of this. All that glory gone for 
>naught!
>
>But one also has to understand that the Jews were never Europe’s favourite 
>people. England expelled them in 1290. France in 1306, Lithuania in 1395, 
>Spain in 1492, Portugal in 1497. Jews were not readmitted to England until the 
>time of Cromwell, in 1655. Many of the expelled Jews wound up in places not 
>especially good for them – the various principalities of what later became 
>Germany and in eastern Europe.
>
>Throughout European history, Jews were both demons and victims. The Holocaust 
>was not the first mass killing of Jews, even if it was by far the largest and 
>most efficiently organized. There had been many other mass killings based on 
>little more than the need for an ultimate victim – a victim that was 
>anti-social, anti-religious, or anti-human and who was both despised and 
>dreaded. The Jews of Europe, seen as insular, secretive, and at times 
>sinisterly wealthy, filled this role admirably. 
>
>So it was not surprising that the British, a major European power, given a 
>rather difficult chunk of the Ottoman Empire, decided that it would be a good 
>place to send the Jews of Europe. It was their ancient homeland, after all. 
>The Balfour Declaration of 1917, named after the British Foreign Secretary of 
>the time favoured the creation of a Jewish state, and was a primary instrument 
>in making the ancient homeland into a modern one. However, the Declaration was 
>simply recognizing something that was happening anyhow. Beginning in the 
>latter part of the 19th Century, Jews had bought a considerable amount of land 
>from Palestinian Arabs. The rise of Nazism spurred the migration so that by 
>1940, some 30% of the land of the Palestine Mandate was owned by Jews, who 
>comprised about as high a proportion of the region’s people. 
>The creation of a Jewish State
>While many minor conflicts occurred between the Jewish landowners and their 
>Arab neighbours, it wasn’t until the period following WWII that problems 
>escalated to their present dimensions. In 1947, the British withdrew from the 
>Palestine Mandate and a United Nations Partition Plan divided the territory 
>into two states. Jews got some 55% of the land and the Arabs about 45%. The 
>Arab parts included the West bank and the Gaza strip, areas to which most were 
>forced to move. Israel officially became a state on May 14, 1948. Jerusalem, 
>sacred to Islam, Judaism and Christianity, was supposed to be an international 
>site but it was taken over by Israel and soon displaced Tel Aviv as the 
>Israeli capital.
>
>Large numbers of the Arab population fled or were driven out of the 
>newly-created Jewish State. (Estimates of the final refugee count range from 
>600,000 to 900,000 with the official United Nations count at 711,000.) The 
>continuing conflict between Israel and the Arab world resulted in the lasting 
>displacement that persists today. Immigration of Holocaust survivors and 
>Jewish refugees from Arab lands doubled Israel's population within a year of 
>independence. Over the following decade approximately 600,000 Mizrahi Jews, 
>who fled or were expelled from surrounding Arab countries and Iran, migrated 
>to Israel.
> 
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