Ray, On the other hand:
The turtle lives 'tween plated decks Which practically conceals its sex. I think it clever of the turtle In such a fix to be so fertile Harry ______________________________________ Ray wrote: >Congratulations Harry, > >You did it. You got everyone to discuss the Platonic/Aristotilian double >bind with no one finding their way out becouse there is none as long as they >agree to your rules. You have them trapped in a cave just as their >attitudes and lives in business and economics have trapped them. I will >give you Ogden Nash as your answer and I figure not to steal your learning >but explaining: "A cow is of a bovine ilk, one end is moo the other >milk." > >Now for something else. Population: Capitalism doesn't put limits on >the market so therefore it must put limits on resource loss by creating a >two tier system with the upper tier being so small that they use very little >even at their wildest and most extravagant. That plays havoc with >population because the revenge of the lower classes is to breed the upper >classes out of existance. Like those human waves the Chinese put out to >counter America's superior fire power in the Korean War. Capitalism >demands the freedom of Democracy but is against the principle of equality. >Heard it before? Well, I have to go to ceremony now and had to get rid of >some of this. > >We say there are four choices in life. 1. you choose your God (Your >Ultimate Concern) 2. You choose your life partner, 3. You choose your >work and 4. You choose your play. > >I go to celebrate my God today. Have a good time playing boys. > >Ray > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Harry Pollard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Dennis Paull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2002 3:35 AM >Subject: Re: Three basic realms > > > > Dennis wrote: > > > > >Hi Keith, Harry, Arthur et al, > > > > > >I beg to differ with axiom 1. > > > > > >I believe that there are some people whose desires are unlimited > > >and others who are more content with what they have. There is a > > >continuum in this respect. If everyone's desires were unlimited > > >we would be continually at war and this is clearly not the case. > > > > That's a large jump. Why do you think that "unlimited desires" > > means that we would be continually at war? I would think that > > your "content" friend would anxiously desire peace so his > > contentment is uninterrupted. > > > > I assume too that though he has eaten today, he will desire to eat > > tomorrow and take the necessary steps. > > > > >True, some folks realize that acting on their desires can lead to > > >bad results. And others may have only altruistic desires. To > > >draw conclusions from your axiom may be very difficult due to > > >the great variance in what those desires are in individual cases. > > > > You'll recall that I said that after people have satisfied the very > > basic desires (survival) , their desires can take off in any direction. > > > > I also said we don't know what their desires may be, though we > > can deduce some of them by their actions. Actually people can be > > very skillful at knowing what another's desires may be. > > > > However, that isn't our concern. All we need to know is that a person's > > desires are unlimited. > > > > >DENNIS: To draw macro-economic conclusions from a set of individualistic > > >desires seems unwise. Each person acts from self interest in such > > >diverse ways. How can we build institutions based on such a broad > > >and shifting foundation. > > > > Who drew macro-economic conclusions? I certainly didn't, so it > > must be you. > > > > On the other hand I would ask why do we want to build institutions? > > > > If we do, perhaps we should try to understand the building blocks of > > institutions before we build them. > > > > >DENNIS: Perhaps I am saying that although axiom may be true, so what! > > >It may not be a useful concept. > > > > Well, right away, it shows that involuntary unemployment is impossible. > > > > That should be of interest to FutureWorkers. If we all worked 24 hours > > a day, seven says a week, we couldn't satisfy the unlimited desires of all > > of us. > > > > So our question must change from "How do we find people work?" to > > "Why are people without work?" > > > > If we come up with the right question, we may get the right answer. > > > > We might also wonder why we are trying to find work for "least > > exertion" people - people who sensibly are trying to reduce the work > > necessary to satisfy their desires. > > > > Most important, with these two assumptions about people, we begin the > > study of Man by putting to one side the assumptions we have previously > > made that Man is unpredictable, violent, and a willing customer of the > > seven deadly sins. > > > > Oh, and Dennis, #2 - the least exertion principle - is perhaps his easiest > > way to satisfy more of those unsatisfiable desires. > > > > >I do buy into axioms 2 through 4 however. > > > > > >Dennis Paull > > > > > >At 01:00 AM 3/15/2002 Friday , Keith wrote: > > > >Hi Harry, > > > > > > > >Before pushing off for a short holiday break I suggested that a third >axiom > > > >could be added to Harry Pollard's basic two: > > > > > > > >1. People's desires are unlimited > > > >2. People seek to satisfy their desires with the least exertion > > > >3. People have a curiosity beyond present needs for survival > > > > > > > >Then Arthur Cordell came up with a fourth: > > > > > > > >(AC) > > > >>>>> > > > >How about a fourth? Humans are meaning seeking creatures. We are > > > >taxonomists. One of the ways in which we find meaning is to order and > > > >label things. Another way in which we find meaning is to "discover" > > > >self-evident truths. A sort of benchmarking. A way of providing >building > > > >blocks for whatever intellectual edifice we are seeking to build. > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >. . . which could be summarised as: > > > > > > > > 4. Humans are meaning-seeking creatures. > > > > > > >[snip] ****************************** Harry Pollard Henry George School of LA Box 655 Tujunga CA 91042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: (818) 352-4141 Fax: (818) 353-2242 *******************************
