Good morning, Keith,

I will ask you, Keith, the same question I asked Brad (and which I am still
hoping he will answer):

Have you EVER talked with a veiled/covered/burka'ed (sp?) Muslim woman about
this?

And another question: Have either of you ever tried one on?

Have you ever asked a nun or a catholic woman whether they feel oppressed
when they wear 'habit' or cover themselves?

Somehow, I wouldn't much trust the casual personal opinion of white Western
males on this (including my own, if I were unable to answer the above
questions affirmatively).

Barbara Walters did a special on women in Saudi Arabia, and focused, as she
would, on the veil. Among the five women she interviewed, several were
pro-veil. But this is just another anecdote...

Cheers,
Lawry

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Keith Hudson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 12:03 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Brad McCormick, Ed.D.
> Subject: Women love the burka!
>
>
> I must return to your original posting (Re: SA and Work in oil-rich
> countries) on a point I overlooked in my previous replies.
>
> I could hardly believe my eyes when I read your comment on burkas!
>
> At 11:35 13/08/02 -0700, you wrote:
> <<<<
> Nothing wrong with burkas, Keith -- except that the Western feminist
> movement has labelled them oppressive. I haven't heard any feminist say
> 'Ooooops, maybe we were wrong. Maybe our Afghani sisters really DO like to
> wear burkas, in the same way that we Western women have our own clothing
> habits, rules and taboos. Hmmmmm," our enlightened feminist would go on to
> say, "I wonder what our Afghani sisters say about our high-heels, our
> display of skin, our make-up, our tight-clothing.....is it possible that
> they don't see, whith all these things, how advanced and sophisticated we
> western women are???"
> >>>>
>
> The burka is a total denial of one of the basic characteristics of
> humankind -- the need to communicate and socialise.
>
> Do the Afghan (Saudi Arabian) women like to wear burkas?  Of course they
> don't! Brad is quite right. He expressed the situation superbly when he
> wrote: "Burqas are the outward and visible sign of portable imprisonment."
>
> I have seen at least three TV documentaries where western journalists have
> interviewed Afghan women in their homes. The latter expressed themselves
> bitterly. However, it is an unfortunate fact that since the "deliverance"
> of Afghanis from the yoke of the Taliban (doubtful -- it's highly
> likely to
> resurge) very few women are to be seen outdoors without their burkas
> because fundamentalism still reigns. Only the most intelligent,
> well-educated minority of women have the courage to do so at present.
>
> Changing the subject slightly and reverting to Saudi Arabia,
> here's a story
> that was recently printed in the NYT:
>
> "An acquaintance here in Saudi Arabia told me his story: He was
> touring the
> countryside by car and got slightly lost. He saw a car down the road and
> approached it to ask directions, but each time he drew near, the car sped
> away. Eventually he caught up to it, the car pulled over, and a terrified
> driver jumped out to flee: it was a Saudi woman dressed like a man. In a
> country where it is illegal for women to drive, that's the only way for a
> lady to get behind the wheel."
>
> The benign way that we in the west tolerate the servitude of hundreds of
> millions of women in Islamic countries is shameful. Hindu practices in
> India are just as bad. The practice of Suttee (wives throwing themselves,
> or being thrown) onto the funeral pyre of their husbands is still
> practised.
>
> Keith
>
>
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