Ray, Very good points. I certainly do have close Bahia friends who have been victims of persecution in Iran and elsewhere. An important point is that very few religions promote killing nonadherents. That is the result of people who warp the true meanings of the religions for their own benefit.
Bill On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:26:16 -0400 "Ray Evans Harrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Bill, > > The Bahais have a chart that begins with Indigenous Religions as the > oldest > spiritual expressions and flows through to the Bahais that are the > latest > revelation of God. They are inclusive and claim to encompass all > of the > world religions adding their Messiah to the list in the most recent > revelation. The Moslems in Iran slaughter and jail Bahais with > impunity. > This is not like the Kurds who are Moslems themselves. The Bahais > are a > different religion and a particular anathema to the Ayatollahs. > > There is no substitute for coming into the 20th century and there is > no > justification for any religion denying the role and revelations of > others > including science, medicine, art and so on. > > Christianity denied the existence of my people until they finally > accepted > that the known world of the bible was incomplete. Today they have > the > same type of new realities to integrate but integrity is a tough one > for the > hard of heart. > > Ray Evans Harrell > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William B Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 1:30 PM > Subject: Re: one musician and 9 11 > > > > Ray, > > > > I don't disagree with what you said at all. Certainly Christians > have > > carried out as many moral offences in the world as anyone else, if > not > > more. > > > > Bill > > > > On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:34:57 -0400 "Ray Evans Harrell" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > writes: > > > In the Empire of the Great Kublai Khan all religions were > considered > > > equal > > > and strict neutrality was enforced by the civil authorities. > They > > > were > > > not taxed to support the shamanism of the ruling class since to > > > indigenous > > > traditional faiths, all faiths are given by the Creator to the > > > person who is > > > born into them. > > > > > > The people's of the book, you mention, have seemed throughout > > > history > > > particularly intent upon burning other people's books as devil > > > worship. > > > Note the libraries at Alexandria and Tenochtitlan. There > were > > > other > > > copies of Plato but today there are only two Mayan books left > and of > > > the > > > hundreds of thousands of volumes in Tenochtitlan there are only > 17 > > > and those > > > were recopied by the Catholics who burned them so who knows > what > > > they did in > > > the editing. Since I practice Traditional Religion of which > there > > > are > > > over 300 million of us in the world, I find it strange that the > > > Middle > > > Eastern religions continue to chip away at us without any one > > > yelling > > > genocide or speaking of our Civil Rights. As I mentioned > earlier, > > > I could > > > point out many thousands of lives lost in death marches and > > > concentration > > > camps in the US but we still insist that Oklahoma City and the > WTC > > > were the > > > "Greatest Acts of Terrorism" known to this country. It > reminds me > > > of the > > > "Greatest Walnut Bowl Factory" on highway 69 in Missouri. > > > > > > That is not to demean the lives lost in my native Oklahoma by a > > > White > > > Militia Roman Catholic Nut or my friends at the WTC who were > > > murdered by > > > Brown Jihad Islamic Fundamentalist Nuts. Both were horrific > and > > > should > > > not be tolerated but the greatest evil today is the evil of the > > > "massive" > > > masquerading as the Underdog or Victim. There are nearly > two > > > BILLION > > > Christians in the world today with over one billion Roman > Catholics > > > while > > > there are over one BILLION followers of Islam. That doesn't > make > > > them > > > victims in any sense of the word and their evangelism at this > point > > > constitutes Imperialism in the old ugly predatory mode of the > past. > > > > > > So let them say that I should have a right to exist in my faith > in > > > their > > > country in the same way they have a right to do so in mine. > > > Otherwise > > > when they kidnap and aim my airplanes at my Capital my response > is > > > to aim my > > > bombs at their Mecca and Medina. As for the Christians? > Where > > > do you > > > aim? > > > > > > At the morality. They do not follow their own books and so > they > > > are not > > > trustworthy nor do they deserve to be considered so. Just > mention > > > Usury > > > and watch them all turn tail and head for the hills. > > > > > > REH > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "William B Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 10:14 AM > > > Subject: Re: one musician and 9 11 > > > > > > > > > > Ray, > > > > > > > > Although I am sure that it would not be popular for Muslims > to > > > focus on > > > > Universality at this time in history, the Quran uses the term > > > 'ahl > > > > al-kitaab' which means 'people of the book'. This includes > > > Muslims, > > > > Christians, and Jews. Muslims believe that they were simply > the > > > latest > > > > recipients in a series of messages from God. Ask any Muslim > if > > > > significant parts of the Quran are not also parts of the > Bible. > > > > > > > > Bill Ward > > > > ********************************************************** > > > > I would like to hear a Moslem speak on the Universality of > all > > > faith and > > > > the value of each culture in the great quilt of the Creator's > > > humanity. > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! 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