Raymond,

Full of good stuff!

Harry
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Ray wrote:

>Karen you said:
> > This comes back to the old question of do men as individuals affect
>history,
> > or is history such a solid mass that individuals are pulled along by it
>but
> > never able to drive history a certain way?
>
>The way I understand this is that the only control we have over history is
>with the choice of the environment that will surround us knowing that we are
>shaped by it.    That includes the historical environment.   On the one hand
>the Jews have chosen a renewal of that historical environment while on the
>other they are surrounding themselves with moral problems that has turned
>the public relations battle from being David to being Golaith.     I feel
>that Islamic history is severely compromised as is the Christian,  but up
>until the present Jewish history has had a remarkable morality to it.  The
>Environment they now surround themselves with is a great danger to the
>heritage of that history.   On the other hand, to refuse to act and to own
>your house is to remove the problem of morality by simply not having enough
>power to make morality an issue.
>
>
> > Of course, we all agree that individuals matter in their local, regional
>and
> > now global histories.  Sharon is certainly part of the problem.  He gives
> > the wall or solid mass of desperate Islamic hate a target on the world
>event
> > stage, just as Arafat is a target for the global defenders of Israel.
> > Identifying the I - P problem as an unmovable, impenetrable object (open
> > intent to sweep Israel out to the sea) only contributes to the problem, it
> > makes it seem impossible to change, just as Tom Walker wrote re: Emery
>Roe's
> > Analytical Tip opinion that environmentalists and economists can make
>doing
> > anything about global warming or global poverty seem too large a problem
>to
> > deal with by individuals or individual states.
> >
> > When we condense historical events down to a formula to understand it, we
> > often miss the mythos that is involved.  Your statement is practical,
>using
> > logos, and reflects (what I think is) your intellectual
>training/preference,
> > but both mythos and logos are involved in life and the unfolding drama of
> > mankind.
> >
>
>In the issue of moral choice Mythos is the "ground of being" while Logos is
>the choice of naming how you will look at that "ground of being" and act
>within it.   Logos is always creating history because it claims to be
>factual data that is exclusive of other possibilities,  but that is not true
>when regarding history that you have not directly experienced yourself.
>History is a set of options that runs all the way from yes to no with every
>possibility in between.    To say the Word is to choose a path but not THE
>path.    There are as many as there are slices to reality.    That is a part
>of the issue with the scientists as "handmaidens of the culture" that I have
>been discussing in  Re: To survive or not to survive.    I would be
>interested in what you have to say on that as well.
>
>
> > If the right CEO can make or break a corporation, if one professor and not
> > another can attract more students to a department, if a single talented
> > researcher can make the difference in a breakthrough in medical science,
>if
> > one lawyer can make a jury see the evidence in a different way, then why
> > should we not blame Sharon and Arafat for contributing to this political
> > problem?  I see the I - P issue as a crumbling brick wall, not a solid
>one,
> > and I am focused on the crack in my line of sight that I can do something
> > about.  - Karen
>
>
>That is because you 1. believe in redemption and 2. believe in public
>responsibility.    I agree with you on both.
>
>Ray


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