Ray, Would you please clarify that statement about stereotypes?
I would define a stereotype as a generalization about an individual based on assumptions about the characteristics of the group to which the individual is assumed to belong; those assumptions about the group may or may not be based on factual evidence. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Evans Harrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [Futurework] An apology requested ( was: Perle's body language) > Stereotype comes from the frame that exists as the heading of a newspaper. > It is not the daily news, it simply implies ownership. > > REH > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 12:29 PM > Subject: RE: [Futurework] An apology requested ( was: Perle's body language) > > > > I didn't say that stereotypes were harmful. Sometimes they are sometimes > > not. > > > > You seem to think that stereotypes are harmful. I don't. Perhaps we can > > agree to disagree. > > > > And yes, I do change my views on many things. Its called learning. > > > > arthur > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Selma Singer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 12:15 PM > > To: Cordell, Arthur: ECOM; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [Futurework] An apology requested ( was: Perle's body > > language) > > > > > > So I guess I am interpreting your messages correctly; it's simply not > > possible for people to change, modify or rid themselves of their > stereotypes > > or harmful ways of thinking. > > > > Would you say that it is genetically determined? > > > > Selma > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 12:14 PM > > Subject: RE: [Futurework] An apology requested ( was: Perle's body > language) > > > > > > > Think what you want, just don't act on it. > > > > > > Civility and the rule of law allows a complex society to function. I > > don't > > > expect people to "like" me. Overt civility and mutual respect go a long > > > way. > > > > > > By enforcing politically correct codes of behaviour and ways of thinking > > on > > > ourselves and others we may end up in a place that is not so desirable. > > > > > > Humans seem to have a need for the "other". When you figure out a way > for > > > all of us to sing Beethoven's Ninth together and really mean it, please > > let > > > me know. > > > > > > arthur > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Selma Singer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 12:06 PM > > > To: Cordell, Arthur: ECOM; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: [Futurework] An apology requested ( was: Perle's body > > > language) > > > > > > > > > Arthur, > > > > > > Please correct me if I am misinterpreting your post. > > > > > > Are you saying that it is not possible for people to realize that the > > > stereotyping that they're doing can cause harm? And that if they do > > realize > > > it there is no possibility that they will try to stop doing it or be > aware > > > of it in others and try to get it diminished? > > > > > > I am not the least bit interested in having people be 'civil' to me who > > have > > > stereotypes about me that are insulting. > > > > > > Is it only if it results in some kind of formal policy or legislation > that > > > it can be changed? > > > > > > It's just not clear to me what you mean to be saying when you insist > that > > it > > > is impossible for people to get rid of stereotypes. Is it also > impossible > > > for people to change their attitudes which are prejudicial, misinformed, > > > based on erroneous information, etc. > > > > > > Please clarify. > > > > > > Selma > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 12:00 PM > > > Subject: RE: [Futurework] An apology requested ( was: Perle's body > > language) > > > > > > > > > > Harbouring stereotypes is probably some sort of elaboration of pattern > > > > recognition. Thinking in this way doesn't cause harm. Acting on this > > in > > > a > > > > public policy way can cause problems. > > > > > > > > btw, I am Jewish. I have been insulted, beaten up and called dirty > Jew > > > many > > > > times. I identify with Jewishness across the board--from Einstein to > > the > > > > streetcorner merchant. My father changed his name from Cohen to > Cordell > > > > because of anti-semitism. I know a little about what some are > feeling. > > > > > > > > I would rather that people were gender blind, colour blind, and > racially > > > > neutral----but they are not. No amount of appeal to sweet reason will > > > seem > > > > to work. Civility and acceptance and avoiding some issues seems to be > > > > useful. > > > > > > > > arthur > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Selma Singer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:51 AM > > > > To: Cordell, Arthur: ECOM; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: Re: [Futurework] An apology requested ( was: Perle's body > > > > language) > > > > > > > > > > > > Some progress might be made if we would refuse to accept them as okay > > and > > > > dismiss them as trivial. All of us are affected by the various > cultural > > > > ideas that hurt people; if we ever hope to become more humane we must > > work > > > > to become aware of those ideas that get in the way and to diminish > their > > > > impact and hope to destroy them. > > > > > > > > Arthur, are you trying to say that you have never been able to change > > any > > > of > > > > your ideas or behavior when you realized that they were hurtful to > > > yourself > > > > of others? Or have you never had any such behaviors? > > > > > > > > Selma > > > > > > > > Selma > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:43 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [Futurework] An apology requested ( was: Perle's body > > > language) > > > > > > > > > > > > > I confess. I harbour stereotypes. > > > > > > > > > > When we figure out a way to rid ourselves of such, please let me > know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arthur > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Selma Singer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:36 AM > > > > > To: Cordell, Arthur: ECOM; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Subject: Re: [Futurework] An apology requested ( was: Perle's body > > > > > language) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't want anyone to "lighten up" when it comes to racism and > sexism > > > or > > > > > class issues. Under the guise of "just' stereotypes there have been > > more > > > > > horrors committed that any of ua want to think about > > > > > > > > > > What we're talking about here has recently been very much in the > news > > > with > > > > > the issue of racial profiling. It is one thing to acknowledge that > > there > > > > are > > > > > differences between and among groups; that is simply the reality. > When > > > we > > > > > then go on to assume that because an individual belongs to a group, > > that > > > > > individual necessarily shares all the general characteristics of the > > > > group, > > > > > good or bad, we're doing a terrible injustice to both the group and > > the > > > > > individual > > > > > > > > > > A very good example is your statement that Keith was just "being > > > British". > > > > > If I were British I would be insulted by the implication that all > > Brits > > > > > stereotype in the way the Keith does, and especially because he > makes > > > > those > > > > > statements as though the stereotypes are genetically based. > > Outrageous! > > > > > > > > > > Selma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:24 AM > > > > > Subject: RE: [Futurework] An apology requested ( was: Perle's body > > > > language) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am trying to get us to "lighten up" Who among us does not > harbour > > > > > > stereotypes of one sort or another? The problem arises when we > try > > to > > > > > make > > > > > > them operational by referring to intelligence or, in the case of > > > > athletes, > > > > > > reflexes, etc. The problem also arises when we bring these > > > stereotypes > > > > > into > > > > > > the open. > > > > > > > > > > > > In all our extended families we maintain the peace by NOT > mentioning > > > > > uncles > > > > > > or aunts or brothers past behaviour. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the global extended family we might do well to maintain > peaceful > > > > > > relations and conversation by not using stereotypes to justify the > > > overt > > > > > > behviour of one group or another. > > > > > > > > > > > > arthur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Selma Singer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:14 AM > > > > > > To: Cordell, Arthur: ECOM; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Futurework] An apology requested ( was: Perle's body > > > > > > language) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I disagree, Arthur, that this is a trivial matter, and this is the > > > kind > > > > of > > > > > > thing that frightens me so much on this list. > > > > > > > > > > > > Selma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:11 AM > > > > > > Subject: RE: [Futurework] An apology requested ( was: Perle's body > > > > > language) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Keith is just being British. He uttered out loud what is best > > kept > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > pub or club. He crossed the line. And (many) Asians are whizzes > > at > > > > > > > computers and maths. And, etc. etc. sterotyping does go on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And some of his best friends are probably Jews. Ashkenazei or > > > > > Sephardic. > > > > > > > Who cares? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The heat of all this war talk is causing us to get upset. > > Probably > > > > easy > > > > > > to > > > > > > > solve if we were face to face in a pub where we could view body > > > > language > > > > > > and > > > > > > > facial expressions (unless Perle were present) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And Carl Rove may really be (behind his pasty wasp face) Carl > > > > Goldberg. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Keith, this is nonsense. Aplogize. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > btw, why don't you like Perle? Because he seems to have total > > > control > > > > > > over > > > > > > > his emotions? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arthur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: devorah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 8:16 AM > > > > > > > To: Keith Hudson > > > > > > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Futurework] An apology requested ( was: Perle's > body > > > > > > > language) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No apology. The fact is that I never write in upper-case, and > the > > > fact > > > > > > that > > > > > > > I felt the need in this case just shows how carefully I read > your > > > > post. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > "some of my best friends" and the distinction between Ashkenazi > > Jews > > > > and > > > > > > > other Jews -- which? -- are just the kinds of statements that > > signal > > > > the > > > > > > > anti-semite. As I wrote - whether in capitals or small letters, > I > > > > found > > > > > > your > > > > > > > way of putting that you dislike Perle and his influence on the > > > current > > > > > > > American policy while talking about genes and the so-called > > > > > > accomplishments > > > > > > > of Jews that you seem to think you know about, offensive in the > > > > extreme > > > > > to > > > > > > > whoever happens to have been born a Jew or happens to think of > her > > / > > > > > > himself > > > > > > > as a Jew. I don't think these are things that can be apologized > > for > > > / > > > > > > > about - Read your own post and do some heavy thinking if you > don't > > > > like > > > > > > the > > > > > > > way the message comes across. > > > > > > > Devorah Kalekin-Fishman, Dr. Rer. Soc. > > > > > > > Faculty of Education > > > > > > > University of Haifa > > > > > > > Haifa, Israel 31905 > > > > > > > Tel.: +972-4-8249357 > > > > > > > Fax: +972-4-8240911 > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > Additional phone: > > > > > > > +972-4-8123605 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Keith Hudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > To: "devorah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 2:39 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [Futurework] An apology requested ( was: Perle's body > > > > language) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devorah, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't like upper case words being hurled at me in the way > that > > > you > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dislike Perle -- that should be obvious. I have a great > > > > admiration > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > many Jews -- particularly the Ashkenazi Jews from central > Europe > > > who > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > not only survived great suffering and persecution but have > also > > > > > produced > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > great proportion of the best ideas of the modern world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A Jew helped me once in a time of great distress and at his > > great > > > > cost > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > of a sense of justice. Most of his family died at Auswitch. I > > will > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > be grateful for his help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would request your apology when you have read my posting > more > > > > > > carefully. > > > > > > > > Then you and I can resume sensible discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Keith Hudson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 12:13 17/03/03 +0200, you wrote: > > > > > > > > >Keith, was this supposed to be a rational analysis of the > > > > right-wing > > > > > > > agenda > > > > > > > > >that is pushing Bush and, by the way, several hundred > thousand > > > > > American > > > > > > > > >soldiers into a deliberately planned war for oil and power > over > > > the > > > > > > > entire > > > > > > > > >continent of Asia? Since when does knowledge of details, > > > knowledge > > > > > of > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > >to manipulate the body, and where to register for a college > > > > education > > > > > > > come > > > > > > > > >to people through genes? And presumably genes that by some > > > miracle > > > > of > > > > > > > > >skipping seas and generations, they have in common with the > > > current > > > > > > > > >right-wing Israeli government? Obviously you have an insight > > that > > > > > goes > > > > > > > far > > > > > > > > >beyond that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >YOUR COMMUNICATION IS A DEMONSTRATION OF SOMETHING I HAVE > > ALWAYS > > > > > > DOUBTED > > > > > > > > >EXISTED - A VIVID AND VITRIOLIC TRANSLATION OF A POLITICAL > > > ARGUMENT > > > > > > INTO > > > > > > > > >RABID ANTI-SEMITISM. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >WILL YOU MAKE THE SAME KIND OF ARGUMENTS IF AND WHEN BUSH & > CO > > > > DECIDE > > > > > > TO > > > > > > > > >INVADE NORTH KOREA? APPARENTLY IMMIGRANTS FROM THE FAR EAST > TO > > > THE > > > > US > > > > > > > ALSO > > > > > > > > >HAVE DANGEROUS GENES. AND CONSIDERING THAT THEY HAVE BROUGHT > > > THEIR > > > > > > GENES > > > > > > > > >DIRECTLY TO THE STATES, THEY WILL BE IN AN EVEN MORE > VULNERABLE > > > > > > POSITION. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Devorah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Devorah Kalekin-Fishman, Dr. Rer. Soc. > > > > > > > > >Faculty of Education > > > > > > > > >University of Haifa > > > > > > > > >Haifa, Israel 31905 > > > > > > > > >Tel.: +972-4-8249357 > > > > > > > > >Fax: +972-4-8240911 > > > > > > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > >Additional phone: > > > > > > > > >+972-4-8123605 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > >From: "Keith Hudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > >Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > >Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 10:41 AM > > > > > > > > >Subject: [Futurework] Perle's body language, etc (was: It's > the > > > > > > > > >testosterone) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi Lawry, > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> At 15:55 16/03/03 -0500, you wrote: > > > > > > > > >> >Keith -- I missed the debate you refer to. Can you comment > > on > > > > how > > > > > > > Perle > > > > > > > > >> >handled himself? Energy and body language? > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >Thanks, > > > > > > > > >> >L > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Ah! Interesting question! Since he's emerged from the mist, > > > I've > > > > > been > > > > > > > > >> thinking a great deal about Perle recently. David > Dimbleby's > > TV > > > > > > > programmes > > > > > > > > >> in the last two/three weeks concerning Iraq have exhibited > > some > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > >> highest level debate that you're likely to find on TV. On > two > > > > > > occasions > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > >> ITV (60 and 90 minute programmes) and one on BBC (60 minute > > > > > > programme), > > > > > > > > >> Perle has been the main protagonist speaking (long-distance > > > > video) > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > >> America while the expert platform interlocutors (except for > > > > > Dimbleby > > > > > > > > >> himself) have been different at this end in each programme. > I > > > > might > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > >> say that a great deal of care must have gone into the > > selection > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > >> studio audiences. As far as I could judge, the most recent > > one > > > > > fairly > > > > > > > > >> represented the 60/40 (No/Yes) split in England. There were > > > also > > > > > > > several > > > > > > > > >> brilliant expert speakers seated on the front row of the > > > > audience. > > > > > > > Perle > > > > > > > > >> was equal to any of them, audience or platform, except on a > > > > couple > > > > > of > > > > > > > > >> occasions (more later). > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> (Incidentally, let me illustrate my comment from yesterday > > > about > > > > > the > > > > > > > > >> "testosterone effect". A week ago, the opposition to > Blair's > > > > > support > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > >> Bush was at around 65% in this country. A YouGov > > > (Internet-based) > > > > > > poll > > > > > > > > >from > > > > > > > > >> couple of days ago gave a 60/40 split. During yesterday's > > > > Dimbleby > > > > > > > > >> programme, a phone-in vote gave a 55/45 split. I think if a > > > poll > > > > > were > > > > > > > > >taken > > > > > > > > >> later on today or tomorrow morning [assuming that Bush > > declares > > > > war > > > > > > > then] > > > > > > > > >I > > > > > > > > >> would guess that a poll would show a 50/50 or even a 45/55 > > > split > > > > in > > > > > > > favour > > > > > > > > >> of war. This rapidly shifting opinion of about 20% is due, > to > > > my > > > > > > mind, > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > >> the credulous portion of the male population who are now > > being > > > > > > carried > > > > > > > > >away > > > > > > > > >> by the excitement of events. However, I think this trend > will > > > > > reverse > > > > > > > > >> itself when women start expressing themselves more > forcefully > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > >coming > > > > > > > > >> weeks if there are large/gruesome fatalities among the > Iraqi > > > > > > > civilians.) > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> (And now may I diverge just one more time before I discuss > > > Perle > > > > in > > > > > > > > >> particular? Here's a little bit about the neuropsychology > of > > > body > > > > > > > > >language. > > > > > > > > >> Most people are now aware that an individual being > questioned > > > > will > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > >> away his state of stress by involuntary movements. For > > example, > > > > TV > > > > > > > > >> camerapeople have long ago cottoned onto this by giving > shots > > > of > > > > > > > > >> interlocutors' bobbing foot movements when individuals are > > > > lying -- > > > > > > or > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > >> darting hand scratching the back of the head, or ears, or > > nose. > > > > > What > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > >not > > > > > > > > >> widely known, though, is that the motor strip of the brain > > > which > > > > > > > transmits > > > > > > > > >> muscle movement commands [both voluntary and involuntary] > is > > > far > > > > > from > > > > > > > > >being > > > > > > > > >> proportionate to the layout of the body. In short, there > are > > > > > > relatively > > > > > > > > >few > > > > > > > > >> nerves running to and from most of the body -- feet, back, > > > legs, > > > > > > arms, > > > > > > > etc > > > > > > > > >> -- but a very large number from the face (particularly in > and > > > > > around > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > >> mouth) and hands (particularly fingertips). In terms of > > numbers > > > > of > > > > > > > brain > > > > > > > > >> cells involved, the nerve control (or lack of control under > > > > stress) > > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > >> mouth and fingers comprise 45% of all body movements. Thus, > > if > > > > you > > > > > > want > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > >> relax, it is stupid and time-consuming to go through all > the > > > > > > systematic > > > > > > > > >> procedures that physiotherapists tell you to do [usually > > > starting > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > >> one's toes -- which have hardly any nerve endings!]. You > can > > > > > > > short-circuit > > > > > > > > >> the whole tedious business by allowing one's mouth, lips > and > > > > tongue > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > >> relax [when your mouth will moisten slightly] and one's > > fingers > > > > and > > > > > > > > >> fingertips. You can achieve mental relaxation in two or > three > > > > > seconds > > > > > > > > >flat. > > > > > > > > >> Conversely, get those two areas under control and you're in > > > > charge, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > >not > > > > > > > > >> the interlocutor. Believe me, Perle knows this well!) > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Perle faces the camera directly with his elbows on a > suitable > > > > level > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > >desk > > > > > > > > >> or table, his forearms flat and one palm resting upon the > > > other. > > > > > You > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > >> see nothing else. His hands never move. His face is almost > > > > > immobile. > > > > > > > His > > > > > > > > >> mouth is relaxed, almost smiling when he's not talking. He > is > > > in > > > > > > > perfect > > > > > > > > >> control. The other interesting feature of Perle under > > > questioning > > > > > is > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > >> he always delays his replies. There's a perceptible delay > of > > > > about > > > > > > two > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > >> three seconds before replying to any question, tricky or > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > (after > > > > > > > > >> all, how does one know whether a simple question might not > be > > > > > tricky > > > > > > > until > > > > > > > > >> it's examined carefully!). This mode of response is very > rare > > > > among > > > > > > > > >> intellectuals (and is not usually necessary) because they > > > usually > > > > > > > fire-off > > > > > > > > >> replies quicker than the average person ('cos their brains > > are > > > > > > faster) > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > >> this can get them into trouble quite often. (The ex-UK-UN > > > > > ambassador > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > >> mentioned yesterday had also acquired this habit of delayed > > > > > > responses.) > > > > > > > > >> This may seem a trivial piece of behaviour but it's > extremely > > > > > > important > > > > > > > > >> because a delay dampens down one's immediate emotional > > reaction > > > > and > > > > > > > allows > > > > > > > > >> sufficient time for rationalisation. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> So there you are! I have never seen anyone on TV who's > under > > > such > > > > > > > control. > > > > > > > > >> Perle seems perfectly relaxed. He smiles fairly > frequently -- > > > > > butter > > > > > > > > >> wouldn't melt in his mouth. His voice is always well > > modulated. > > > I > > > > > saw > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > >> two brief instances where Dimbleby on one occasion and the > > > > > > > ex-ambassador > > > > > > > > >on > > > > > > > > >> another seemed to break through Perle's facial control -- > > > > revealing > > > > > > > > >> ultra-rapid flashes of anxiety which soon passed into > > > blandness. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> The only way I thought I could something of the real Perle > > and > > > > what > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > >> deeper underlying agenda might be was when he dealt with > two > > > > other > > > > > > > matters > > > > > > > > >> which were thrown at him quite aggressively -- oil and > > Israel. > > > > Very > > > > > > > > >briefly > > > > > > > > >> (after the usual delay!) he cheerfully said that "Iraq's > > > > resources" > > > > > > (he > > > > > > > > >> didn't use the oil word!) would, "of course, come under the > > > > control > > > > > > of > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > >> new Iraqi government" (friendly to the US one assumes!), > and > > > "of > > > > > > > course", > > > > > > > > >> the matter of a Palestinian State would have to be > considered > > > > soon. > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > >> moved onto the main theme very quickly after giving both of > > > these > > > > > > > > >> responses. I thought that these glissades were cleverly > done > > > and > > > > > > > extremely > > > > > > > > >> significant. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> I am, as you know, prejudiced on the oil issue, because I > > have > > > > > > thought > > > > > > > > >that > > > > > > > > >> this has been the main motivation for the new war against > > > Saddam > > > > > > almost > > > > > > > > >> from the beginning. However, I have tended to pooh-pooh the > > > idea > > > > > that > > > > > > > > >there > > > > > > > > >> might be an American-Jewish conspiracy involved -- which > some > > > are > > > > > > > > >> maintaining. After all, there are as many Jewish-American > > > > > > > intellectuals > > > > > > > > >> who speak out against the war (if not more) as in favour. > > > > However, > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > >> way Perle dealt with the Israeli question on the last > > Dimbleby > > > > > > > programme, > > > > > > > > >I > > > > > > > > >> detected more than a whiff that a Jewish motivation is also > > > > > involved > > > > > > > among > > > > > > > > >> the group that is manipulating Bush -- Perle himself, of > > > course, > > > > > but > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > >> Wolfovitch and Rumsfeld. There's also a speech-writer > called > > > > Feith > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > >went > > > > > > > > >> with Bush to the Azores and seems very influential -- much > > more > > > > > than > > > > > > > Colin > > > > > > > > >> Powell. I don't know whether he has Ashkenazi genes, but I > > > > wouldn't > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > >> surprised. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> I don't believe for one moment that there is a well-defined > > > > > > > > >Jewish-American > > > > > > > > >> conspiracy, but Ashkenazi genes must feature very strongly > in > > > any > > > > > > > American > > > > > > > > >> administration simply because their IQ is so much higher > than > > > the > > > > > > > average > > > > > > > > >> European/American white and a million or two of them came > > from > > > > > Poland > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > >> central Russia a century ago. After all, 50% of those > > entering > > > > > > Harvard > > > > > > > > >> University (to choose one university) on the basis of SATS > > > tests > > > > > are > > > > > > > > >> Jewish-Americans and East Asian-Americans -- 5% of the > > American > > > > > > > > >population. > > > > > > > > >> (Non-Jewish-American whites, comprising 75% of the > > population, > > > > get > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > >25% > > > > > > > > >> of Harvard slots.) > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> I seem to remember from somewhere that Bush Junior's SATS > > > result > > > > > was > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > >> 660. I would think that Perle's score was probably double > > that. > > > > I'd > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > >to > > > > > > > > >> know. The concept of the IQ of individuals, while useful > for > > > job > > > > > > > selection > > > > > > > > >> in many cases, is useless in the case of those of the > highest > > > > grade > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > >> intelligence because they are at, or above, the IQ of those > > who > > > > > > concoct > > > > > > > IQ > > > > > > > > >> tests. Suffice it to say that it is my opinion, for what it > > is > > > > > worth, > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > >> Perle's intelligence (and control of body language!) is of > > the > > > > very > > > > > > > > >highest > > > > > > > > >> grade and it would be a formidable intellectual exercise to > > > > debate > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > >him > > > > > > > > >> for any length of time. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Keith Hudson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > -------------- > > > > > > > > Keith Hudson,6 Upper Camden Place, Bath BA1 5HX, England > > > > > > > > Tel:01225 312622/444881; Fax:01225 447727; E-mail: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > Futurework mailing list > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Futurework mailing list > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Futurework mailing list > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Futurework mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > > > _______________________________________________ > Futurework mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework
