Yeh but once the gun is taken away they begin to rape and pillage all over
again.

REH


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> What I meant to say is that free market idealogues suddenly see merit in a
> welfare state: Looking down that barrel helps them to think more
"clearly."
> Survival is suddenly about trade offs and the trade offs look reasonable.
> Enlightened self-interest.
>
> arthur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brad McCormick, Ed.D. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 6:28 PM
> To: Cordell, Arthur: ECOM
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > When you are looking down the barrel of a gun you suddenly become
> > enlightened as to what is best for your long term survival.
>
> I disagree:  You become enlightened as to
> what is best for your SHORT TERM survival, and
> all higher culture and longer perspectives cease to
> be worth anything.  J.S.Bach, Immanuel Kant and
> Kurt Godel really have no value to a person
> looking down the barrel of a gun, but, as the atheist
> Sartre obersved, we die only for others (becausxe
> it is not possible to experience not-experiencing).
>
> Adversity destroys value.  It's that simple, even
> though most people's childrearing screws up their minds
> so they (Yes, I include "myself"
> here...) think and feel all sorts of perversities.
>
> Cheers!
>
> \brad mccormick
>
>
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > *From:* Ray Evans Harrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > *Sent:* Friday, May 30, 2003 12:32 PM
> > *To:* Cordell, Arthur: ECOM; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > *Subject:* Re: [Futurework] Exit ramp for Europe (collateral damage on
> > Tar Creek)
> >
> >     Not a chance.    Enlightened is not a term I would use.
> >
> >     REH
> >
> >
> >
> >         ----- Original Message -----
> >         *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >         *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ;
> >         [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ;
> >         [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ;
> >         [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >         *Sent:* Friday, May 30, 2003 11:01 AM
> >         *Subject:* RE: [Futurework] Exit ramp for Europe (collateral
> >         damage on Tar Creek)
> >
> >         That is why policy should appeal to the rich on the basis of
> >         "enlightened self-interest"  Redistribution today or be attacked
> >         by the "shirtless" mobs tomorrow.
> >
> >             -----Original Message-----
> >             *From:* Ray Evans Harrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >             *Sent:* Friday, May 30, 2003 9:35 AM
> >             *To:* Ed Weick; Cordell, Arthur: ECOM;
> >             [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> >             [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >             <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >             *Subject:* Re: [Futurework] Exit ramp for Europe (collateral
> >             damage on Tar Creek)
> >
> >             Some things just have too low a flashpoint for capitalism to
> >             work before irreparable damage is done.     If the law
> >             cannot truly dispense with justice there will eventually be
> >             a return to vendetta.    Vendetta means that those hurt will
> >             aim at the group rather than the individual since the
> >             individual who hurt them is too well protected by the unjust
> >             laws.   That is when people take to wearing dynamite
> >             belts.    Do any of you remember a movie with George C.
> >             Scott where he was a sheep rancher in an area where the
> >             government was testing CBR weapons.    They killed first his
> >             sheep and then his son.     After that he blew up the
> >             place.   That's vendetta law and is as old as Hammarabi.
> >             See article below about my home reservation:    REH
> >
> >
> >
> >             ----- Original Message -----
> >             From: Ed Weick
> >             To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;
> >             [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >             Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 8:58 AM
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> >
> >
> >             Maybe, Ed, you are part of the problem.
> >
> >             That may be so.  Part of me, the cussed part, tells me that
> >             I shoud let things deteriorate to some flashpoint.  Another
> >             part, the compassionate, says yeah but what about the poor
> >             mothers and the older guys from the Ottawa Valley?  And yet
> >             another part, the guilty, gnaws at me because I'm retired
> >             and have a decent income.  God life is hell when you're
> >             comfortable!
> >
> >             Ed Weick
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >             THE TAR CREEK TIME BOMB
> >             Richard E. Meyer, Picher, Okla. from the Los Angeles Times
> >
> >             Acid water from abandoned mines creates peril for thousands
> >             in four southern states.
> >
> >             Water boiled out of a red wound in the pasture and spilled
> >             across the grass. It flecked the ragweed with rusty foam.
> >             George Mayer knew in an instant what it was.
> >
> >             "The damn mines," he said to himself. "The mines are full,
> >             and the water's finally coming out."
> >
> >             It washed around the ankles of his purebred Arabian horses,
> >             stained the ends of their tails and splashed against their
> >             roan-and-tan bellies when they ran. Their hides turned
> >             orange. The hair burned off their legs. They developed open
> >             sores, like bracelets, above their hooves.
> >
> >             Not far away, water gurgled out of another hole in the
> >             ground. Then it surged from another. And another. It belched
> >             from a mine shaft and gushed out of an old cave-in. It
> >             splashed down ditches and gullies and into a meandering
> >             stream called Tar Creek. It turned the stream blood red, and
> >             it killed the fish.
> >
> >             It flowed on into a larger river which carried it toward the
> >             largest lake in northeastern Oklahoma. Worse, it coursed
> >             straight down through abandoned wells and through cracks in
> >             the rocks. Bit by bit, it began contaminating the
> >             underground water supply for cities and towns and tens of
> >             thousands of people.
> >
> >             The water, which started flowing in 1978, will not stop. It
> >             comes from the tunnels of interconnected lead and zinc mines
> >             that reach like the tentacles of an octopus across 40 square
> >             miles underneath Oklahoma and Kansas. When work in the mines
> >             ended more than a dozen years ago, the miners shut off the
> >             pumps. The tunnels filled with water. The water turned to
> acid.
> >
> >             Slowly, the mines became a 10-billion-gallon vat of
> >             subterranean poison. The U.S. Environmental Protection
> >             Agency says the vat has become one of the worst hazardous
> >             waste sites in the nation. The EPS calls the site Tar Creek,
> >             after the ravaged stream that bears the brunt of the acid
> flow.
> >
> >             Critics who want Tar Creek cleaned up say that the EPS is
> >             dragging its heels. Some say the agency is delaying to
> >             protect the corporations that might be responsible. The EPS
> >             denies stalling. But internal EPS memos show that the agency
> >             is being deliberately cautious because Tar Creek raises
> >             issues that affect mining sites across the country:
> >
> >             Can the government use its cleanup fund, bankrolled by a
> >             special tax on the chemical industry, to clean up mining
> waste?
> >             If it does, can the government require the mining industry
> >             of replenish the fund?
> >             The story of Tar Creek begins with the upheavals of genesis.
> >             A thousand feet below the surface of North America at
> >             mid-continent, creation deposited a layer of sand. It bore
> >             water of remarkable quality. The sand came to be called the
> >             Roubidioux Formation. Above the Roubidoux was deposited a
> >             layer of limestone 370 feet thick and laden with rich zones
> >             of lead and zinc. It was called the Boone Formation.
> >
> >             Across the surface of the land, like the veins on the back
> >             of a hand, flowed a succession of creeks and rivers. Among
> >             the smaller streams was Tar Creek, named for the black ooze
> >             that seeped from two springs at its source. Tar Creek flowed
> >             south for 18 miles before spilling into the Neosho River,
> >             which swept it into the sapphire depths of a lake so
> >             magnificent that it came ot be called Grand Lake.
> >
> >             In the beginning, the land was owned by the Indians, who
> >             leased it to white men. In 1901, O.W. Youse from Kansas
> >             drilled a water well for A.W. Abrams not far from what is
> >             now the town of Picher. His drill bored through the Boone
> >             Formation. At about 250 feet, it hit the lead and zinc.
> >             Early mining did not amount to much.
> >
> >             Two men and a mule would sink a shaft where the men thought
> >             good ore might be. If they hit it, they tunnelled out
> >             laterally underground and followed the ore until it played
> >             out. If they did not hit it, they simply moved on and dug
> >             another shaft.
> >
> >             As their techniques improved, the miners began drilling bore
> >             holes before they dug shafts. They drilled every hundred
> >             feet or so until they found ore. Then they tunnelled to it
> >             from existing shafts. If they wanted to use the bore holes
> >             for ventilation, they cased them with steel pipe to keep
> >             their walls from crumbling.
> >             Processing the ore required a mill, and the mills needed
> >             good water. But the water in the ore-laden Boone Formationw
> >             as too metallic. So the miners drilled 1,000 feed down
> >             through the Boone Formation and into the Roubidiox
> >             Formation. They cased their wells and pumped Roubidoux water
> >             up to the surface.
> >
> >             In 1926, a centralized mill took over processing. Larger
> >             companies bought out the small operators. And production
> >             increased dramatically.
> >
> >             Miners connected their tunnels. They hollowed out huge
> >             chambers. The mines grew into massive, tri-level honeycombs
> >             - with one operation at 200 feet, say, another at 300 feet,
> >             and still another at 400 feet.
> >
> >             The mines grew so large that the men lowered disassembled
> >             trucks into their depths, reassembled the trucks, outfitted
> >             them with exhaust cleaners and drove them, underground, from
> >             Oklahoma to Kansas. Along the labyrinth of tunnels and
> >             drifts, they hollowed out chambers the size of Little League
> >             baseball parks. At strategic places, the miners left pillars
> >             of stone to hold the ceilings up.
> >             Eventually, what the miners called the Picher Field extended
> >             over 40 square miles. It undermined Ottawa county in
> >             northeastern Oklahoma and Cherokee County in southeastern
> >             Kansas. And the Picher Field was only part of the
> >             undertaking. The miners formed the Tri-State Mining
> >             District, which extended over 700 square miles and reached
> >             into the counties of Jasper, Newton and McDonald in
Missouri.
> >
> >             As the mines expanded, they drew more and more mineral water
> >             from the surrounding Boone Formation. If the water stayed in
> >             the mines long, it grew acidic and ate the nails out of the
> >             miners' boots.
> >
> >             They pumped the water out - with wooden machinery at first,
> >             because the water would eat the working parts of an iron
> >             pump in little more than a shift. Eventually, they replaced
> >             the wooden pumps with improved large-capacity metal machines
> >             that pumped 23 million gallons a day.
> >
> >             They dumped the water into Tar Creek.
> >
> >             Fish died, and muskrat and beaver fled. The water left the
> >             creek bottom a dirty orange.
> >             Mining hit its peak during the Second World War. Between
> >             1907 and 1947, the Tri-State Mining District produced 21.7
> >             million tons of zinc and 18.7 million tons of lead, with a
> >             value of more than $1 billion. But after the war, production
> >             declined, and by the late 1950s and early 1960s the big
> >             companies started pulling their men out.
> >
> >             The Tri-State Mining District warned: If the pumps are
> >             turned off, the mines will flood.
> >
> >             Small operators stayed and finished removing the last of the
> >             ore. Some were so-called "gougers" who took everything -
> >             including many of the pillars that held the underground
> >             ceilings in place.
> >
> >             Some mines caved in. Miners called the cave-ins
> >             "subsidencies." At the Sunflower mine, a chunk of ground the
> >             size of four football fields fell straight down and left
> >             cottonwood trees standing in mid-crater. The town of Picher
> >             abandoned four blocks of businesses on both sides of Main
> >             Street after a cave-in behind Picher High School.
> >
> >             By the mid-1960s, most of the mining had ceased. But the
> >             land was devastated.
> >             In Oklahoma, the miners left behind 1,064 shafts, 500 of
> >             them open hazards. In Kansas, they abandoned 3,500 shafts,
> >             600 of them open hazards. In Missouri, they left as many as
> >             4,000 shafts, 300 of them gaping open. They left an
> >             uncounted number of bore holes, 100,000 in the Picher Field
> >             alone. They left 25 wells per square mile that reached down
> >             into the Roubidioux aquifer.
> >             They left gravel waste piled across hundreds of acres. The
> >             miners called it "chat" - because when someone picked up a
> >             handful and threw it hard against a boulder, it went "chat".
> >
> >             And the miners turned off the pumps.
> >
> >             The flow of acidic mine water into Tar Creek slowed to a
> >             trickle then stopped. Little by little, the creek came back
> >             to life. Bass, perch and catfish returned. Even a beaver or
> >             two came back to build dams.
> >
> >             But below ground, a time bomb was ticking.
> >             In the empty mine tunnels and on the floors of the silent
> >             chambers, the miners had left piles of waste they had not
> >             bothered to hoist to the surface. Most of it was what they
> >             called "mundic" - worthless iron pyrite, or fool's gold. It
> >             oxidized. The chamber ceilings exposed more pyrite. It too
> >             oxidized.
> >
> >             Slowly the mines filled with water. It covered the oxidized
> >             pyrite in the tunnels and on the floors of the chambers. It
> >             touched the oxidized pyrite on the chamber ceilings.
> >
> >             The water and the pyrite reacted chemically.
> >             And the mines turned into a cistern of acid.
> >
> >             The volume of acid grew, like an underground monster out of
> >             control.
> >             In 1978, the U.S. Geological Survey reported that the mines
> >             contained 100,000 acre-feet of water. Of that total, the
> >             Geological Survey said, 33,000 acre-feet was acidic. That
> >             totaled 10,753,097,000 gallons of acid water.
> >             The Geological Survey said the mines would overflow.
> >
> >             And before the year was out, the did - into the middle of
> >             George Mayer's horse pasture.
> >
> >             To Mayer, a World War II pilot who had turned a building
> >             stone business into a sizable northeastern Oklahoma
> >             enterprise, the water looked like it was bubbling out of a
> >             red fissure in the earth.
> >
> >             A few miles away, more acid water began boiling out the
> >             another drill hole, this one near a dirt road. It flowed
> >             only intermittently, but it belched out an average 660,000
> >             gallons a day. Still another bore hole spewed acid water out
> >             of casing four feet tall. After a hard rain, the casing
> >             gushed an acid geyser three feet into the air. Yet another
> >             bore hole sprayed acid through a cracked casing cap like
> >             champagne from a party fountain.
> >
> >             Millions of gallons of discharge found their way down
> >             crevices and ravines to Tar Creek. The creek turned red
> >             again. Pumpkin-coloured sludge sank to the bottom.
> >             The beaver fled and the acid killed the fish.
> >
> >             John Mott watched them die. A disabled retired tiremaker who
> >             had worked at B.F. Goodrich plant in nearby Miami, Okla.,
> >             Mott, 55, is a bow hunter and fisherman.
> >
> >             "We had quite a bit of rain, and water was running down this
> >             road right adjacent to Tar Creek, and there were fish in the
> >             ruts in the road trying to get away," Mott said. "The perch
> >             and small bass and sunfish and bluegill were already dead.
> >             But the bullhead catfish, they're pretty tough. They had
> >             open sores, like somebody took a knife and cut a chunk out
> >             of them. But they were still alive. They had acid in their
> >             gills, and it wouldn't let their gills get oxygen. They were
> >             gasping for air."
> >              From Tar Creek, the acid water spilled into the Neosho
> >             River. At their confluence, fishermen found particularly
> >             high concentrations of lead, zinc and cadmium in carp and
> >             red ear sunfish.
> >
> >             The Neosho neutralized the Tar Creek acid. A hundred years
> >             downstream from the confluence, most of the metals in the
> >             Tar Creek water had precipitated out, and the Neosho ran
> clear.
> >
> >             But Mott worried. "If we get too much rainfall, you are
> >             going to have four or five million gallons a day running out
> >             of the ground and into Tar Creek," he said. "In some places
> >             right now, the sludge is three feet deep. It lays there in
> >             Tar Creek and in the Neosho, and come spring and we get a
> >             big flood it'll wash all that at once time right down into
> >             Grand Lake.
> >
> >             Indeed, where the Neosho feeds into Grand Lake, fishermen
> >             already had started finding high concentrations of cadmium
> >             in carp and lead in smallmouth buffalo fish.
> >
> >             At the same time, the acid water was leaking downward.
> >             Below was the Roubidoux aquifer. Acid water had eaten holes
> >             through the casings of some of the old deep wells that
> >             reached down into the Roubidoux sand. Now the acid water was
> >             flowing through the holes and into the wells. It plunged
> >             straight down - at 10 gallons per minute in one well and 200
> >             gallons per minute in another.
> >
> >             Slowly, it was ruining the Roubidoux. As early as the
> >             mid-1970s, the town of Commerce discovered contamination in
> >             one of its wells that drew water from the Roubidoux. A
> >             Roubidoux well that supplied a boron plant near Quapaw went
> >             bad last year. The town of Picher had two of its wells go
> >             bad. Acid water ate its way through the well casings.
> >
> >             People complained that Picher water smelled metallic, tasted
> >             like rust, stained their bedsheets and turned their sinks
> >             and toilet bowls red. Because of its colour and taste,
> >             however, few people drank the contaminated water, so few
> >             people got sick.
> >             Mark Coleman, Oklahoma's deputy health commissioner, warned
> >             that the water, if drunk, could burn residents' intestinal
> >             membranes and poison them with cadmium and lead.
> >
> >             Picher's contaminated wells were re-cased, but it was clear
> >             that the water supply for northeastern Oklahoma ultimately
> >             could be tainted.
> >             Some people said total contamination could affect 10,000.
> >             Some feared the total might be as many as 140,000 -
> >             including residents of Cherokee County in Kansas and Jasper
> >             County in Missouri.
> >
> >             "More studies are necessary," Rep. Mike Synar, D-Okla., told
> >             a congressional hearing last fall, "to determine whether the
> >             main aquifer has been contaminated to where it would
> >             literally affect the water supply for hundreds of thousands
> >             of people in Kansas, Oklahoma, Missouri and Arkansas.
> >
> >             Concern was compounded by a study that showed
> >             higher-than-normal cancer rates near the mines in Cherokee
> >             and Jasper counties.
> >
> >             The study, by Dr. John S. Neuberger, an assistant professor
> >             at the University of Kansas School of Medicine, showed that
> >             the incidence of lung cancer among men during the mid-1970s
> >             in Cherokee County was 54 percent higher than the national
> >             average and that lung cancer among men during the same time
> >             in Jasper County, Mo., was 42 percent higher.
> >
> >             Neuberger suspected that radon gas from the chat piles was
> >             responsible for the increased cancer rates. But he said more
> >             studies were needed.
> >             It was easier to measure the danger in the water. John Mott
> >             was hired by the Oklahoma Water Resources Board to chart the
> >             water's changing acidity and its metallic conductivity. Low
> >             pH means high acidity. Sever is normal. Mott measured a pH
> >             level as low as 1.7. High conductivity means high metallic
> >             content. Drinkable water can have conductivity levels of 445
> >             to 450. Mott measured Tar Creek in the thousands.
> >
> >             Ron Jarman, chief of the board's water quality division,
> >             sent the results to the governor.
> >
> >             "And we said, 'Help!'" Harman said.
> >
> >             Gov. George Nigh created a Tar Creek Task Force of 23 local,
> >             state and federal agencies. It hired Hittman Associates
> >             Inc., a firm of consulting engineers from Colorado, to
> >             figure out what could be done.
> >
> >             Hittman said Oklahoma should catch the mine discharge, pump
> >             additional acid water out of the ground, purify it at a
> >             treatment plant and use it for farms and factories. Even
> >             with the best technology, Hittman said, it would take up to
> >             23 years to ease the threat.
> >
> >             And it would cost $20.6 million.
> >
> >             That was more money than Oklahoma had - and more than a town
> >             like Picher, which paid for its only police car with a bingo
> >             game, could imagine.
> >             To help pay for the cleanup, Oklahoma asked the EPA to put
> >             Tar Creek on its lift of hazardous waste sites and make it
> >             eligible for money from a special federal fund, called
> >             Superfund.
> >
> >             Totalling $1.6 billion, Superfund was established during the
> >             last days of the Carter administration to clean up the
> >             nation's worst accumulations of hazardous waste. Most of the
> >             money - 87 percent - comes from a special tax to be paid by
> >             chemical companies until 1985. The rest comes from the U.S.
> >             Treasury.
> >             Tar Creek made the Superfund list.
> >
> >             Because its immediate threat to public health was not as
> >             severe as that at, say, Love Canal, the EPA was reluctant to
> >             call Tar Creek the worst on the list. But when EPA
> >             investigators ranked waste sites, using a formula designed
> >             for the agency by systems engineers at the Mitre Corp., Tar
> >             Creek came out No. 1.
> >             The sheer volume and uncontrolled nature of its poison gave
> >             Tar Creek the highest Mitre score of any hazardous waste
> >             site in the nation.
> >             The EPS awarded Oklahoma $435,368 in Superfund money. But
> >             that was more than $16.5 million shy of Hittman's lowest
> >             estimate.
> >
> >             And none of the EPA money was for cleanup. It was for more
> >             studies.
> >             Oklahoma, Jarman found, was encountering opposition from the
> >             chemical industry. Chemical companies were against using any
> >             Superfund money for an actual cleanup at Tar Creek. The
> >             chemical industry wanted none of its taxes used to clean up
> >             mining industry wastes.
> >
> >             In its pronouncements on the issue, the Chemical
> >             Manufacturers Association has stopped just short of saying
> >             it will go to court to keep Tar Creek from getting more
> >             money from Superfund.
> >
> >             The EPA has little doubt that it has the authority to use
> >             Superfund money to clean up mining wastes - regardless of
> >             the chemical industry opposition. But it is less certain
> >             that it can recover the cleanup costs from the mining
> >             companies to replenish the Superfund afterward.
> >
> >             Keeping the Superfund replenished is important to future
> >             cleanup activities.
> >             Meanwhile, George Mayer has a horse pasture full of acid
> >             water. And Oklahoma has a major pollution problem on its
> hands.
> >
> >             "What's going to happen ultimately, I don't know," Mayer
> >             said, eyeing his acid-burned grass and frowning.
> >
> >             "There's nothing I can do to stop the flow of the water.
> >             There isn't anything I can do to remove it. I'll just have
> >             to accept it until somebody does something to remove it or
> >             eliminate it or dilute it."
> >
> >             "Or something."
> >
> >
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>
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> --
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>                that they may see your good works.... (Matt 5:16)
>
>    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thes 5:21)
>
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