Good point. In all fairness, the same point is made in a standard economics text that I have that talks about "externalities." Unfortunately the retail merchants will not consider such things as "Public Goods" or Negative and Positive Externalities etc. but prefir to simply design and describe rather than take a stand on when something is good for the community or society and when it is not. Instead we get "naturalism" like totally free markets and world's without walls. Unfortunately since the don't exist a serious discussion is not possible. I like much of what Harry says but he also get trapped in the walls. Only he doesn't mix up science with advocacy. He is an advocate and that honesty is what I like about him personally. I'm still waiting for someone to dream up a society that I would want to live in.
REH ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [Futurework] Exit ramp for Europe (collateral damage on Tar C reek) > To an economist, the following is not controversial > > How can I be faulted for supplying the community with > $50 million worth of goods and/or services? > > but if it costs $20 million [MBTE for example] to clean the pollution and > your goods/services cause $10 million in additional health care costs, > the value is $20 million. There certainly are cases where the damage to > the environment is greater than the value of the products and services > produced. > > > Bill > > How can I be faulted for supplying the community with > $50 million worth of goods and/or services? > > > On Sat, 31 May 2003 13:13:14 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > I think that a progressive tax system is important for > > cross-subsidization > > which I find to be congruent with community. Community, like family > > is > > based on cross subsidization. > > > > arthur > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Harry Pollard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 4:58 PM > > To: Cordell, Arthur: ECOM; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [Futurework] Exit ramp for Europe (collateral damage on > > Tar > > C reek) > > > > > > Arthur and Karen, > > > > I doubt you would object to my so increasing my skills and work > > habits that > > I make $50 million. How can I be faulted for supplying the community > > with > > $50 million worth of goods and/or services? > > > > Whether I could - or should - do something else such as lying on the > > beach > > is really none of your business. > > > > So, is it "greed" - a thoroughly subjective judgement - or something > > > > thoroughly commendable? > > > > Harry > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > > > Arthur wrote: > > > > >It's not the voices of enlightened self interest that will do it, > > rather > > >it is the selfish enlightened self interest that occurs when the > > >overstuffed sloth realizes that the future may not resemble the > > >past. Greed can follow many paths--in this case long term greed > > >maximization might push for a solid middle class (and leave this > > >overstuffed sloth to choke on his riches and not be choked by a > > >disgruntled untermensch) > > >arthur > > >[Cordell, Arthur: ECOM] > > > -----Original Message----- > > >From: Karen Watters Cole [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 11:30 AM > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Cc: Cordell, Arthur: ECOM; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: RE: [Futurework] Exit ramp for Europe (collateral damage on > > Tar > > >Creek) > > > > > >Arthur, who are the voices of enlightened self interest who can > > effect > > >something from what many fear is runaway greed and despotism? > > Where is > > >that line in the sand that says, Enough? > > > > > > > > > > > >Does Bill Gates' philanthropy have to represent this class all by > > >himself? Who are the models for doing something today to prevent > > >shirtless mobs in the future? Warren Buffet wrote a biting opinion > > piece > > >recently opposing the Bush2 tax cut plan. Are these the only role > > models > > >because they are fabulously wealthy? > > > > > > > > > > > >Have we reached a point where the voices heard are just those at > > the top > > >of the money pyramid and those grumbling at the bottom? If so, > > then is > > >that our only new cultural enlightenment of any voice? > > > > > > > > > > > >I ask you this not as a challenge, but because I know you will > > apply > > >thoughtfulness to a reply. > > > > > > > > > > > >- KWC > > > > > > > > > > > >That is why policy should appeal to the rich on the basis of > > "enlightened > > >self-interest" Redistribution today or be attacked by the > > "shirtless" > > >mobs tomorrow. > > > > > > > > > > > >PS I apologize for the font size here. While I am typing this my > > email > > >program insists it is size 11 Arial, but it appears on my screen > > more like > > >7.5 and then when I see it afterwards it appears to be 12. I have > > not > > >been able to correct this with simple default changes, seems to be > > > > >something else. > > > > > > **************************************************** > > Harry Pollard > > Henry George School of Social Science of Los Angeles > > Box 655 Tujunga CA 91042 > > Tel: (818) 352-4141 -- Fax: (818) 353-2242 > > http://home.attbi.com/~haledward > > **************************************************** > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Futurework mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > _______________________________________________ > Futurework mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework
