What concrete views!
In Canada, the enormous St. Lawrence cement plant was a mile or two away. Maybe that doesn't count.
So, I had to get my ash-ma another way.
Harry
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Ray wrote:
He never lived next to a cement plant. I was born next to one. That's how I got ash-ma.
REH
----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 9:06 AM Subject: RE: [Fwd: RE: [Futurework] Local living economies]
> I guess you are saying yes to the cement factory and filling in the local > canyons to make more living space, more land that can be taxed. > > arthur > > -----Original Message----- > From: Harry Pollard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 3:02 AM > To: Cordell, Arthur: ECOM; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [Fwd: RE: [Futurework] Local living economies] > > > Arthur, > > Really! > > There is all the difference in the world between keeping pig farms away > from residential areas - a completely sensible policy approved by everyone > - and social engineering. > > If people want a Starbucks or a McDonalds - shown by the fact that they > patronize them -how dare other people use the force of law to stop them > from enjoying themselves. > > As those sugary drinks are not particularly good for you, perhaps we should > zone them out of the supermarkets in our community. On the other hand, > there are those books by Balzac in the library . . . . ? > > Harry > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Arthur wrote: > > >So we can relax zoning in your area and install the cement factory next > door > >to where you live. Or perhaps you would be more comfortable with a pig > farm. > >Or perhaps a garbage dump to fill up and "reclaim" one of the canyons in > >your area. > > > >What is the alternative to zoning? You benefit from it now, why not extend > >it? > > > >arthur > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Harry Pollard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 6:27 PM > >To: Cordell, Arthur: ECOM; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: RE: [Fwd: RE: [Futurework] Local living economies] > > > > > >Arthur, > > > >Putting criminal behavior on one side and concentrating on our ordinary > >behavior, we can be sure of two things. > > > >If a law tells us we must do something, it's because we don't want to do > it. > > > >If a law tells us we must not do something, it's because we want to do it. > > > >As I've said, I can't remember when I ever went into a MccDonalds. I think > >I went into a Starbucks once with someone, but I didn't buy anything. > > > >Yet people do use them. What constitutional right does one person have to > >stop another from using a Starbucks? > > > >You can call it Mature Growth Zoning, but it sounds very much like Busybody > >Interference. Of course, such restrictions are often imposed to keep > >undesirables out of an area (that's people not like us) . After all, we > >must keep things cosy for the better heeled. > > > >But, of course, that couldn't be the case. > > > >Harry > >-------------------------------------------------------- > > > >Arthur wrote: > > > > >I like the way size is being controlled. Through legislation. Call it > > >Mature Growth Zoning, but zoning it is and all of us are used to living > >with > > >zoning regulations of one sort or another. > > > > > >Zoning can also apply to proliferation of Starbucks and McDonald's, > >although > > >here I think the constitutional lawyers would be brought into the fray. > > > > > >arthur > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Karen Watters Cole [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 10:07 AM > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Cc: Stephen Straker > > >Subject: RE: [Fwd: RE: [Futurework] Local living economies] > > > > > > > > >Stephen, there are organizations collecting and distributing this > > >accountability data for citizens and land use development professionals > to > > >use. More important however is that the general public is realizing that > >it > > >is not an inevitability that Corporate Rule will prevail. Maybe this is > >the > > >Second American Revolution, where independent-minded people realize that > > >they don't really have to be trapped in an imperial corporate state. The > > >point here is NOT to overthrow large multinational corporations, but to > > >provide a viable ALTERNATIVE, and the role of public policy in the last > > >decades has clearly been on the side of the corporation. The Movement, > if > > >it can be called that, is calling for leveling the playing field. How > old > > >fashioned American does that sound? > > > > > >As I read the literature and explore websites, just as I would on > anything > > >else new to learn, I am trying to differentiate between the essence and > > >those who take it too seriously. Building alternatives to runaway > >corporate > > >ownership appears to be focusing on issues of scale, issues of place and > > >issues of ownership. The Old Paradigm of "grow or die" and accepting > that > > >all competition is fair and/or healthy, is in decline. More companies > are > > >examining business practices with a "triple bottom line" - profits, > people > > >and planet - for a healthier measurement of performance representing all > > >stakeholders. Even megastores have to be interested in their long term > > >market viability in an area in order to realize a sustainable growth. > ILSR > > >is promoting their The New Rules web site, described as a "searchable > > >collection of public policies that support strong local economies" and > >their > > >banner reads Designing Rules as if Community Matters. (see > >www.newrules.org) > > > > > >Again, according to the Institute for Self-Reliance and others like it, > > >there are dozens of cities banning stores over a certain size: Easton, MD > > >capped stores to 65,000 sq ft (about half the size of a typical Home > >Depot). > > >Hood River, Oregon, just up the Columbia River from me, set 50,000 sq ft > > >(it's hilly and relies on one interstate for traffic and swamped with > wind > > >surfers most of the year now but already famous for apples and pears). > > >Boxborough, MA set 25,00 sq ft (which is smaller than most Borders > > >bookstores), indicating that depending on the size of the town smaller > > >limits can be achieved. Chain stores are taking notice, of course. Some > > >are interested in a less centralized approach. Here in Gresham where I > >live > > >there is a new modified mixed use retail project that has brought > >developers > > >and professionals from all over the country to see for themselves. We > have > > >light rail and this has contributed to the success of these smaller, > > >walk-around developments. > > > > > >Other communities are banning formula retail like McDonald's, tying > future > > >expansion to per capita growth. Some object to the proliferation of a > > >Starbucks on every other corner, some want more variety in their > > >architectural sense of place. These are not outright bans to prohibit > >their > > >operating business, but insisting on diversity. Some might also say it > is > > >insisting on fair commerce, a novel idea, wouldn't you say? Other > > >communities are actively promoting local merchants first. Boulder, CO, > >Salt > > >Lake City, Santa Fe are a few out here. Others are creating regional > > >alliances, such as the Cape Cod Commission. > > > > > >Of course, some will consider this anti-American. I see it as just > another > > >exercise in independence and diversity and very much in the American > >spirit. > > >When one force tends to dominate and suffocate another, there is change > all > > >right, but that change may be short lived. My interest, as a non > > >businesswoman, is the re emergence of the human spirit towards community. > > >The human spirit does not want to be suppressed forever and will seek to > > >breathe freely, seek the light and grow. > > > > > >KWC > > > > > >See: American Independent Business Alliance @ www.amiba.net > > > Business Alliance for Local Living Economies @ > > >www.livingeconomies.org > > > Council of Independent Restaurants of America @ > www.ciraonline.org > > > National Main Street Center @ www.mainst.org > > > Sprawl Busters @ www.sprawl-busters.com > > > > > >SS: > > > This is excellent stuff. And yet, Arthur is > > > completly right - people "vote" for these things > > > whenever they're made available. The only cases of > > > opposition I know of - such as the town of > > > Greenfield, Massachusetts - occur *before* the > > > fact when political leadership takes a stand, such > > > as a city council refusing a zoning or building > > > permit. > > > > > > It occurs to me that in this as in so many things > > > there is not a proper ACCOUNTING. The reason > > > WalMart has low prices is because you're paying > > > for that propane barbecue everywhere else where > > > its cost is disguised (as Stacy & co. say, in > > > property taxes, etc.). > > > > > > I'd like to see some creative accounting put out > > > that shows, say, > > > - the real "price" of a propane barbecue at > > > Wlamart > > > - the real "price" of a litre/gallon of gasoline > > > > > > This would be, like, a progressive rebuttal to the > > > right-wing think tanks - like BC's Fraser > > > Institute - that have learned to garner publicity > > > with dishonest crap like TAX FREEDOM DAY (when to > > > much fanfare on the day they put out a > > > news-release explaining that "until today > > > everything you have earned has been taken by the > > > government; only today do you get to keep your own > > > earnings ..." I always want to say - OK you > > > buggers, have your tax freedom on 1 January and > > > we'll follow you around and BILL you whenever you > > > cost us money ... rise & shine! - flushing the > > > toilet - 3�, brushing your teeth - 1�, use of > > > sidewalk - 4�, traffic light - 1� ... and so on. > > > My goodness those guys make me mad. > > > > > > Has anyone done this proper kind of "social cost" > > > accounting? > > > > > > THEN people would have a better idea of whether > > > they're saving money or whether the convenience is > > > worth it when they choose Home Depot. > > > > > > Stephen Straker
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