REH replied: > First of all Judenrat is about Europe and has nothing to do with us. In > fact I had to look up what you meant. Your comment is crazy.
The point was that members of an oppressed minority achieve personal advantages/privileges by playing by the rules of the oppressing majority, turning against their own minority in the process. Basically, that is what Blacks and Natives in the U$ army have been doing. > You obviously didn't read what I said and have said for six years on the > list about the arts. > 1. The government didn't pay for my training, unlike in Europe, I did, > including my training in the Arts. Over $150,000 in 1960s dollars which > are six to one and on a teacher's poverty salary. I must confess that I don't read most of your postings, mainly because they're too long. I seemed to recall that you had worked for the army and now praised it for giving an education to individuals who otherwise would have hardly received one. If you had to pay so much money yourself for the education you wanted, then there must be something wrong with the claim that you repeat further below in this posting: that the army is "an equal opportunity trainer sending our poorest people to good colleges and raising their cultural standards." > Americans put the arts back > on their feet in Europe after WW II and then screwed us here. Rather, Americans screwed the arts in Europe after WW II... > The only > place where American tax dollars went to the arts was in Europe. I wish America had kept them... > There is > no tax money that goes to opera singers or any other kind here. You are > operating in a fool's paradise in Switzerland where you support your arts. > That is irrelevant to Americans. Maybe if Americans could overcome their arrogance (or is it just blinkers?), they could learn something (many good things) from other countries... > 2. As for killing machines that is a different issue than whether the > military is an equal opportunity hirer or trainer sending our poorest people > to good colleges and raising their cultural standards. It is the same issue, because the killing component - strongly limits the variety of topics and philosophies that the trainees can choose from, namely to military objectives and ways of thinking, and - guzzles up much of the money (i.e. less people can benefit, or the same number of people get worse colleges). > We could take pot > shots at you as a violent people for all of that artillery you have in your > home, but it would be wrong. ^^^^ _Having_ a gun (for defense) is not violent. _Using_ it (for offense) is violent. The Swiss are doing the former, not the latter. (And military spending (as % of GDP) is 3.2 times lower than in the U$.) > Chris wrote: > >It seems a background > > that is not only counter-productive (less content per buck) but > > also quite unsuitable, compared to a civilian endeavor. Art suits > > to (and thrives with) life & pleasure, not death & destruction. > > My answer: > No, pleasure is one of the by-products for art , like for sex, but its > intent is identity, personal growth and the development of human > consciousness. And you think death & destruction (U$ army) suits to "personal growth and the development of human consciousness" ? > At least the military uses American Art to stir the troops. They spend > several million dollars on the finest Men's chorus in the world and at least > that little socialist venture does a tiny amount. If they spend several million dollars on the chorus but nothing on teaching chorus singers (as in your case), then the venture is not socialist at all. He who harvests should also sow. > [Europeans] could have made peace years ago and cultivated the American > propensity for islationism. But instead you constantly bickered, started > two world wars and are still bickering. Europe has had a war almost as > often as we have a recession. Considering that Switzerland only had _1_ war during the last 500 years, you're clearly barking at the wrong tree. Also re. isolationism -- after all, we're not even in the EU at a time when former Soviet-bloc countries will be [next year]. > America is a sleeping dark Jaguar that once riled cares little but > carries the rage^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ Not at all, with dozens of invasions and attacks after WW2 (most of them on countries who didn't attack America). > I will be gone for the next four days renewing what the European Americans > made illegal for us until 25 years ago. Our religion. I will be back on > Monday but am spending my time talking to rich European Americans who > believe they are mistreated and owe nothing to America. Unfortunately > their attitude is catching and the minorities who "strike it rich" are > beginning to act like them. I consider them all to be regressive and they > have all of the money. Have a nice holiday, and I wish you could convert them. Maybe then they'd finally learn to behave in other countries too... Chris _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework
