Le Tue, 18 Jun 2013 16:46:21 +0200, Thomas Funk <t.funk...@googlemail.com> a écrit :
> 2013/6/18 Dominique Michel <dominique.mic...@vtxnet.ch> > > > > Gentoo is a source based distribution. That imply portage doesn't > > > need tarballs and can also install directly from a code > > > repository. > > > > > > I made the ebuild it was several months ago, but the ebuild > > > download the code from the CVS at its first call, and update it > > > with the last code from the CVS with each subsequent call. This > > > is the point of a live ebuild: > > > - to install a program from its source code repository with the > > > last version of the code. > > > > > > It is scripts in portage for that, called eclass. They can be used > > > used by the ebuilds for cvs, git, svn, ..., any kind of > > > repository. > > > > > > In an overlay like the pro-audio one (the equivalent of multiple > > > repositories with the binary based distributions - in gentoo this > > > is just an ebuild (scripts) collection), it is a lot of such live > > > ebuilds, and the only issue we get with them is, sometime we must > > > update them when upstream change their build system or the > > > dependencies. > > > > > > I am sure I have the last code. Last time I ran it for fwvm, I see > > > that portage downloaded the last files committed to the CVS. They > > > was your last patches from this thread. > > > Ah, ok I understand. I haven't used Gentoo anytime. I think this portage feature is one of the reasons why many gentoo users are developers. The first time install is very time consuming, but after, you get a continuous update process, and will never need to reinstall the whole distribution, that even with a many years old installation. > > > > > > > > BTW, I took a lock at the files in /etc/xdg/menus. They > > > > > > doesn't > > > > > > > support the freedesktop additional categories. The > > > > > > > freedesktop guys are amazing, they write a norm and don't > > > > > > > respect it. Or I missed something, but the result is the > > > > > > > generated menus in Fvwm-NightShade only use the main > > > > > > > categories, which is a mess when you have a lot of apps > > > > > > > in one category. > > > > > > Hmmm, sounds strange to me. I will test it on my Xubuntu VM > > > > > > whether this happens there also. On my Mint I have sub > > > > > > categories in the menus, so ... > > > > > > > > > > I think some distributions can provide their own files > > > > > in /etc/xdg/menus, when gentoo policy is generally to not > > > > > interfere with what upstream provide. A notable exception to > > > > > that is gentoo eudev fork of udev, which is mature now, but > > > > > that's another subject... > > > > > > > > > The easiest way is to log in into KDE/Gnome/Xfce session and > > > > have a look in their menus. They build them > > > > from /etc/xdg/menus/, too. > > > > > > I get the same menus than in NightShade. That confirm this is an > > > upstream issue and that some distributions improve these menus, > > > and others not. > > > > > > And it is more, a lot of applications are missing. I guess this > > > is why kde provide an utility to find and add them into its menu. > > > > > > As example, I didn't get alsaplayer in any of these menus, when > > > alsaplayer do provide, and install, a compliant alsaplayer.desktop > > > file. > > > > > > > > > I just see it is not installed. I must search why. > > > > > In consequence, the whole xdg menu thing is completely broken > > > from the root, it have always been, and this have nothing to do > > > with fvwm-menu-desktop. > > > > Well, the additional categories are broken. And this is mess. > > > Yes, if it so, then it is a big mess :( It is the main reason why I begun to use Fvwm-Crystal it was a few years ago. To made its menu system to be FreeDesktop compliant, inclusive the additional categories, was one of the first things I made. It doesn't care about the files into /etc/xdg/menus, but use directly the desktop files, that to add only the missing menu entries and icons into Fvwm-Crystal applications database. Which can be tailored independently by the user. > > Btw. you have listed in a last mail your menu files: > $ ls -R /etc/xdg/menus > /etc/xdg/menus: > applications-merged kde-information.menu > xfce-applications.menu gnome-applications.menu > lxde-applications.menu xfce-settings-manager.menu > kde-4-applications.menu lxlauncher-applications.menu > > Did you have activated all checkboxes in fvwm-menu-desktop-config.fpl? > Sometimes you find sub menus in menus where you haven't think about. Yes, but I don't get the additional categories in any of them. I can send you these files, or to the list, if someone want to look at the differences. Ciao, Dominique > > Cheers, > Thomas -- "We have the heroes we deserve."
