On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:43:22 +0200
Uwe Pross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
dv > > I don't get the connection between a "close window" button
dv > > and the "change layout" function either.
uwp > I put it on the "x" to close the window decoration. To put
uwp > it there was thought to be a fancy hidden feature.
uwp > When I had the window layout inside my browser I tried
uwp > intuitively to press one of the window buttons ;-)
I've been doing that all along. Imagine my surprise the first time I
absent-mindedly clicked one and it actually did something. ;-)
I agree with Mikhael that the "X" has been pretty much ubiquitous for a
long time, and is not a concern per se. However, Dominik's point is
valid that the connection with what it does isn't too intuitive. Perhaps
the alt tag should say something like "Close FVWM Desktop Emulation".
Of course, to make the "desktop illusion" complete, the Close button
should really remove the "window" from the page, leaving nothing but the
Pager. I'm not sure we want to follow the implications of this too
rigorously, though.
uwp > More layouts may be accessable via a separate layout
uwp > page. Which allows one to specify how layout information are
uwp > passed to sub pages (cookie, get, session, maybe post).
Yes, I think we definitely need a page for explaining/setting the
various layout options, and a prominent link to call their attention to
it. The feature is too good to let people miss.
migo > > > I thought about other buttons, something like:
migo > > >
migo > > > menu button - may open a real menu using javascript
migo > > > that for example shows a list of layouts (themes) and
migo > > > navigation tools to choose from
uwp > You really want to have javascript on the fvwm web page?
As long as one can navigate through all the basics without it, I think
it's a great idea. The titlebar buttons really cry out to be
clicked...and of course, once you click one you're disappointed if you
don't see something happen. A real menu popping up when you click a
button would definitely enhance the desktop illusion. I've been hesitant
about suggesting this myself, as I haven't had any time to work on the
Web pages lately.
I believe that most people who disable JavaScript (or use really old
browsers) understand that they may not see everyhing a site has to offer
(and may not want to). They only get angry if they can't see *anything*
without xxx-Script or yyy-Plugin. We'd just want to consider carefully
these issues:
1) You should be able to navigate through everything without the
JavaScript bells & whistles.
2) Browsers without JavaScript support (e.g., Amaya) should
still display all the important stuff OK - not too difficult.
3) We probably need the PHP code to analyze what browser is
being used and eliminate the fancy stuff for older browsers. Here I'm
not thinking so much of JavaScript support itseld, but the level of CSS
support - overlaying HTML elements and manipulating their visibility,
positioning, and z-index attributes, etc. (Also to be considered is
whether we would want to insert special code for Netscape 4 layers or
just treat NS 4 as a disabled browser.)
migo > > > maximize button - may disable pager (WindowList-like
migo > > > navigation?) close button - closes windows and pager
migo > > > like now
Actually, to follow the desktop illusion theme a bit, wouldn't it be
better just to drop the pager (and any other extras that may get added
to the page layout) and just have the "window" occupy the whole page
(desktop)?
Cheers,
Bob
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